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 Mymearan wrote:
And again the symbol on the one
...still want IF dice though!

FW will eventually have you covered. With the symbol on the 6 too.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
That does seem a little lackluster.

Even if it was FNP for the entire game it would be lackluster since it is just the Sanguinary Priest's benefit without the +1WS.

This actually made it so I won't be buying this boxed set. Not worth the hassle of offloading an extra Karlaen.

I can't fathom why they just didn't include the sanguinary priest instead of Karlaen. The priest is base 1/3 less points and provides better benefits overall and the priest is a pretty good looking unit.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
And again the symbol on the one
...still want IF dice though!

FW will eventually have you covered. With the symbol on the 6 too.

At least with the Ultramarine dice, it’s easy to remember the is the one. The roman numerals are also color coded to the codex approved scheme for the respective company. As white is the first company, it all works out.

I don't really understand all the love for the start collecting box. Yeah they are rather nice, byt they are pretty much similar in saving to the battalion boxes we had before.

 streetsamurai wrote:
I don't really understand all the love for the start collecting box. Yeah they are rather nice, byt they are pretty much similar in saving to the battalion boxes we had before.

Saving is a saving. You prefer no boxes with saving?

Okay so yeah they could have kept old battle forces but as long as they aren't worse deal what's harm in changing content what you get discount on? If you have same box forever there's limit on how many boxes you really need. Change and you might get cheaper what you didn't have before. Plus was there even battleforce for every faction that has battle force...

GW prices are currently nuts. Any release that makes the prices bit more bearable is a good release.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
And again the symbol on the one
...still want IF dice though!

FW will eventually have you covered. With the symbol on the 6 too.

Oh goodness yeah i rather get the FW ones instead. who though it was a good idea to put your chapter symbol on the most fail side of the dice.

however i do like the roman numerals instead of pips.

 Nevelon wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
And again the symbol on the one
...still want IF dice though!

FW will eventually have you covered. With the symbol on the 6 too.

At least with the Ultramarine dice, it’s easy to remember the is the one. The roman numerals are also color coded to the codex approved scheme for the respective company. As white is the first company, it all works out.

Which dice are these?

 Desubot wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
And again the symbol on the one
...still want IF dice though!

FW will eventually have you covered. With the symbol on the 6 too.

Oh goodness yeah i rather get the FW ones instead. who though it was a good idea to put your chapter symbol on the most fail side of the dice.

however i do like the roman numerals instead of pips.

Use them for leadership tests. Then you are BEGGING to see those ultramarine symbols

 Crazyterran wrote:

Which dice are these?

I linked them on the previous page, but here it is again:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/ultramarines-dice

I stumbled across them in the pre-order section, had not heard anyone mention them before.

I've missed a lot of this thread. Is the Tau starter still the best value? Has someone made a list of the starters and their net savings?

For 40k, the Tau and Mechanicus ones are the best value.

The absolute best value though is Seraphon. $85 for a Carnosaur, Saurus Knights, and Saurus Warriors...when a Carnosaur by itself is $85.

tneva82 wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
I don't really understand all the love for the start collecting box. Yeah they are rather nice, byt they are pretty much similar in saving to the battalion boxes we had before.

Saving is a saving. You prefer no boxes with saving?

Okay so yeah they could have kept old battle forces but as long as they aren't worse deal what's harm in changing content what you get discount on? If you have same box forever there's limit on how many boxes you really need. Change and you might get cheaper what you didn't have before. Plus was there even battleforce for every faction that has battle force...

GW prices are currently nuts. Any release that makes the prices bit more bearable is a good release.

This is nt what I'm saying. Only that I find it weird that a lot of persons seems to act like these boxes are a complete novel approach by GW (praising Roundtree for it), while in fact, they have always done that

The Getting Started boxes are a good deal cheaper than the old battleforces aren't they? Even with the increased prices.

They are basically battleforce boxes with formation rules, but they are new battleboxes that the formation rules let you play with their contents out of the box. Prior to this, they were just a collection of models you got a discount on, and not a playable force.

Unless I'm mistaken, they are not really playable out of the box, since you don't get all the rules of the units on the formation sheet. You still need the codex.

Or two, if you get the Skitarii one.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Unless I'm mistaken, they are not really playable out of the box, since you don't get all the rules of the units on the formation sheet. You still need the codex.

That's not what I was refereeing to.

The old battle forces did not come with a HQ and 2 Troops, so they were unplayable combinations of models in the box.

The new get started boxes come with the formation rules, that match the contents of the box, so you can play the formation, with no additional models.

Little Timmy can buy a 40K rulebook, codex, and matching get started box and be good to go. You could not do that with the old battle forces.

 adamsouza wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Unless I'm mistaken, they are not really playable out of the box, since you don't get all the rules of the units on the formation sheet. You still need the codex.

That's not what I was refereeing to.

The old battle forces did not come with a HQ and 2 Troops, so they were unplayable combinations of models in the box.

The new get started boxes come with the formation rules, that match the contents of the box, so you can play the formation, with no additional models.

Little Timmy can buy a 40K rulebook, codex, and matching get started box and be good to go. You could not do that with the old battle forces.

Admittedly, at the time of the Battle force boxes Formations didn't really exist.

Formations are a 6th/7th ed thing and to be frank, far more a 7th ed thing in terms of power scaling. The 6th ed. formations, what few of them there are....really leave a lot to be desired.

Pretty sure if the Battleforces were released during this period they'd either have formations tacked on or...in an ideal world would have a statement along the lines of 'Great for expanding an existing army.'

Really, we could do with the following...

Start Collecting - which so far has this trend of 1 HQ, 1 Troops and Something Else
Battleforce - A collection of Something Elses plus at least 1 Troops choice.

 Nevelon wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:

Which dice are these?

I linked them on the previous page, but here it is again:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/ultramarines-dice

I stumbled across them in the pre-order section, had not heard anyone mention them before.

Huh. I just ordered a bunch or Ultramarine dice from eBay that replaces the six with the Ultramarines Symbol, and uses dots. So, at least they won't easily confused.

Might pick up a set for wound markers or something, though.

 Crazyterran wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

I linked them on the previous page, but here it is again:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/ultramarines-dice
I stumbled across them in the pre-order section, had not heard anyone mention them before.

Huh. I just ordered a bunch or Ultramarine dice from eBay that replaces the six with the Ultramarines Symbol, and uses dots. So, at least they won't easily confused.

Might pick up a set for wound markers or something, though.

I was thinking the same thing. I prefer the smaller dice to actually roll, but these would make good markers.

On a related note, when I was over at GW’s website double-checking the size, I noticed their normal dice cubes were different. No longer the big d6 filled with dice, but a more normal case, and all the dice had skulls for ones. Looks like they don’t come with a 12mm scatter dies as well. This new?

Yeah those came out fairly recently I think, as the old dice cube is still on their website (though it's listed as sold out and no longer available).

They don't have any scatter dice, though I noticed when I went to my local GW for the first time in ages they have a box full of scatter dice to give people when they buy a cube. It seems real strange.

 Nevelon wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

I linked them on the previous page, but here it is again:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/ultramarines-dice
I stumbled across them in the pre-order section, had not heard anyone mention them before.

Huh. I just ordered a bunch or Ultramarine dice from eBay that replaces the six with the Ultramarines Symbol, and uses dots. So, at least they won't easily confused.

Might pick up a set for wound markers or something, though.

I was thinking the same thing. I prefer the smaller dice to actually roll, but these would make good markers.

On a related note, when I was over at GW’s website double-checking the size, I noticed their normal dice cubes were different. No longer the big d6 filled with dice, but a more normal case, and all the dice had skulls for ones. Looks like they don’t come with a 12mm scatter dies as well. This new?

Wasn't the Gork and Mork dice released when the Orruk release came out for AOS?

Wonder if there is some kind of SM release coming out soon.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Yeah those came out fairly recently I think, as the old dice cube is still on their website (though it's listed as sold out and no longer available).

They don't have any scatter dice, though I noticed when I went to my local GW for the first time in ages they have a box full of scatter dice to give people when they buy a cube. It seems real strange.

Might be cheaper for them to have a cube made up of all dice being the same, and then having another batch made up of scatter die to hand out with a purchase.

streetsamurai wrote:I don't really understand all the love for the start collecting box. Yeah they are rather nice, byt they are pretty much similar in saving to the battalion boxes we had before.

What don't you really understand? It's GET STARTED in other wise people who are getting into 40K or want to start another army and the $100 price point sounds good and not to spend more. Also it's a legal army to field and you don't have to buy no more minis to GET STARTED playing.

 Kanluwen wrote:
For 40k, the Tau and Mechanicus ones are the best value.

The absolute best value though is Seraphon. $85 for a Carnosaur, Saurus Knights, and Saurus Warriors...when a Carnosaur by itself is $85.

A few of them pull that trick... and I kind of love it. :-p I needed an Arkhan the Black for Age of Sigmar... and I could either buy him for $82, or I could get 10 free skeletons and 5 skeletons on horse with him, thanks to a Starts Collecting Box.

I will agree the Tau one seems to be a champion though as it is the easiest to buy multiples of without subsequent boxes losing too much value. Yeah you end up with extra Ethereals, but as long as you need Crisis Suits, why not get free Fire Warriors with them? :-p

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
For 40k, the Tau and Mechanicus ones are the best value.

The absolute best value though is Seraphon. $85 for a Carnosaur, Saurus Knights, and Saurus Warriors...when a Carnosaur by itself is $85.

A few of them pull that trick... and I kind of love it. :-p I needed an Arkhan the Black for Age of Sigmar... and I could either buy him for $82, or I could get 10 free skeletons and 5 skeletons on horse with him, thanks to a Starts Collecting Box.

I will agree the Tau one seems to be a champion though as it is the easiest to buy multiples of without subsequent boxes losing too much value. Yeah you end up with extra Ethereals, but as long as you need Crisis Suits, why not get free Fire Warriors with them? :-p

Yeah, the Tyranid box is good for that too. Buy five and you have the perfect Tyranid list!

Davor wrote:

streetsamurai wrote:I don't really understand all the love for the start collecting box. Yeah they are rather nice, byt they are pretty much similar in saving to the battalion boxes we had before.

What don't you really understand? It's GET STARTED in other wise people who are getting into 40K or want to start another army and the $100 price point sounds good and not to spend more. Also it's a legal army to field and you don't have to buy no more minis to GET STARTED playing.

Which, As i already said, isn't much different from the old batallion box. That's what i don't understand. Why people act like it's a novel thing from GW. True the old battalion werent including a HQ, but considering how bloated the price is on most of them, i don't think it is necessarily a bad thing, not to mention that it is pretty easy to convert one in most case.

Not that i dont like the get started boxes, they are great value for the most part.

 streetsamurai wrote:
That's what i don't understand. Why people act like it's a novel thing from GW. T

Ah I see where you are coming from. I think the big thing for these get started boxes is there rules to play them as is, other wise like a lot of the battle boxes you can't "legally" play them because they never had all the pieces to play "out of the box".

 streetsamurai wrote:

Davor wrote:

streetsamurai wrote:I don't really understand all the love for the start collecting box. Yeah they are rather nice, byt they are pretty much similar in saving to the battalion boxes we had before.

What don't you really understand? It's GET STARTED in other wise people who are getting into 40K or want to start another army and the $100 price point sounds good and not to spend more. Also it's a legal army to field and you don't have to buy no more minis to GET STARTED playing.

Which, As i already said, isn't much different from the old batallion box. That's what i don't understand. Why people act like it's a novel thing from GW. True the old battalion werent including a HQ, but considering how bloated the price is on most of them, i don't think it is necessarily a bad thing, not to mention that it is pretty easy to convert one in most case.

Not that i dont like the get started boxes, they are great value for the most part.

For me at least - a lot of the attraction is that there's a "big thing" in many of them. I've typically got lots of troops and such for my existing forces, but the "big thing" is often a newer, larger centrepiece kit that I just haven't been able to stomach the price of and so don't yet own (ie, Carnosaur, Helbrute, Mortatch, etc). Similarly, the commander figure is usually one that I'd in no way pay the asking price of, but in a bundle, along with the "big thing" that I wanted anyway, and essentially free troops, all for pretty much the price of the "big thing" makes it much more attractive than the old battalion boxes.

 streetsamurai wrote:

Davor wrote:

streetsamurai wrote:I don't really understand all the love for the start collecting box. Yeah they are rather nice, byt they are pretty much similar in saving to the battalion boxes we had before.

What don't you really understand? It's GET STARTED in other wise people who are getting into 40K or want to start another army and the $100 price point sounds good and not to spend more. Also it's a legal army to field and you don't have to buy no more minis to GET STARTED playing.

Which, As i already said, isn't much different from the old batallion box. That's what i don't understand. Why people act like it's a novel thing from GW. True the old battalion werent including a HQ, but considering how bloated the price is on most of them, i don't think it is necessarily a bad thing, not to mention that it is pretty easy to convert one in most case.

Not that i dont like the get started boxes, they are great value for the most part.

One thing btw that might be affecting is that while this isn't novel for GW it's change of pace to recent price hikes. GW putting out NEW discounted boxes is novelty compared to recent times! Gives hope prices in future would normalize a bit(they don't even need to decrease. Just stay stable for a while).