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Autarch is different as that one is here to stay

would GW bother changing a printed medium that is obsolete in 5 months and used only by a minor part of the community anyway

 Dysartes wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:
But carry on getting as mad (about something that's already been printed and won't be changed no matter how mad about it you get on the internet) as you like I guess.

The Autarch says hi, btw.

Hm, fair point. Although probably an email to GW's gonna be a lot more effective than page upon page of posting on here.

If enough people complain they'll always think about it.

The transport change doesn't bother me. I continue to feel there's going to be a lot more... hostility, to paying CP for the first WLT/Relic. Maybe people will get used to it. (But it does feel daft to have these ever expanding lists of options no one will ever use.)

 Nazrak wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:
But carry on getting as mad (about something that's already been printed and won't be changed no matter how mad about it you get on the internet) as you like I guess.

The Autarch says hi, btw.

Hm, fair point. Although probably an email to GW's gonna be a lot more effective than page upon page of posting on here.

Absolutely no argument there

Points updates are on the official app. Orks changes match the Twisted Dice video (including 8pt boyz), no changes to GSC.

Tyranids mostly match the leaks with a couple of exceptions:
Tyranid Broodlords remain the same
Tyrannofexes base cost didn't change (that was definitely a typo) but the Acid Spray option is +20pts instead of +5
Harpies pay 15pts per HVC, so 215pts total with two.

I remain baffled as to why GW believe Aberrants are worth so much.

Looking like its going to be the season of special characters (and quasi-characters). Quite a lot of cuts there.

My Eliminators Las-Fusils going to 0pts saved me a lot of points in my Vanguard marine army.

 jaredb wrote:
My Eliminators Las-Fusils going to 0pts saved me a lot of points in my Vanguard marine army.

I've yet to use my Primaris army, so let me ask you this question:

As Las-Fusil's better weapons than Bolt Sniper Rifles?

So, any information on things other than Tyranids, Orks, and las fusils for those of us that don't currently have access to the app? ( I can't currently get logged on, and have yet to get an email response from the app support team)

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
So, any information on things other than Tyranids, Orks, and las fusils for those of us that don't currently have access to the app? ( I can't currently get logged on, and have yet to get an email response from the app support team)

No updates to CSM.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
So, any information on things other than Tyranids, Orks, and las fusils for those of us that don't currently have access to the app? ( I can't currently get logged on, and have yet to get an email response from the app support team)

No updates to CSM.

Obviously none for any of our codex units. I was wondering about our fw stuff. Custodes got some significant drops on theirs just prior to their codex release. I can dream, right?

https://www.reddit.com/r/warhammercompetitive

There's a summary thread on Reddit if you're looking for a particular faction. The official post should be up in the next hour or two though.

I haven't seen any signs of FW changes yet

edit: it's up


https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/mYZ4b5gZUiktj4GI.pdf

Still waiting for some bright spark to up the points on Hierodules and make 'em LoWs again...

Anyway, points. Have fun.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Obviously none for any of our codex units.

I know. I was messin' with ya.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
I can dream, right?

Dream? Yes. But do not have any hope, as hope is the first step on the road to a new Chaos Codex.

Imperial Guard player here. I started my last match with most of my chimeras empty. I was playing an emperor's blade assault company (they get a 1cp strat where chimeras can overwatch if an infantry unit was charged and so was using my infantry to screen my chimeras ). Guess I'll just have to pop the hatch first turn if I feel the need to do that again. Then again, we don't play tourney legal (hence being able to take a specialist detachment), so we'll see if we even adopt that rule. I suspect we'll be passing on at least part of the new CP rules, although we'll probably play a match with them just to see how they change things.

Edit:. Did they change Deathstike Missile launcher to cost negative points? Not sure if I'd take it even then heh

 The Phazer wrote:
I remain baffled as to why GW believe Aberrants are worth so much.

probably they justify it with faction design.
GSC need to be squishy mostly, therefore tough infantry should pay premium.

of course that isn't really working and with all the deepstriking and moevement shenanigans i can understand a certain degree of conservative behaviur in regards to GSC points.

but a cut of 5 pts would've been nice.

Sorry, it might've been buried in my other post:

POINTS!!!

Have at 'em.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sorry, it might've been buried in my other post:

POINTS!!!

Have at 'em.

erm, is the CSM page not just the full new CSM points in the soonish released codex?
Or a i seeing that wrong?


Actually the DP has the stipulation to buy a mark, but possessed cant and don't have that
Godless possessed here we come

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Still waiting for some bright spark to up the points on Hierodules and make 'em LoWs again...

Anyway, points. Have fun.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Obviously none for any of our codex units.

I know. I was messin' with ya.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
I can dream, right?

Dream? Yes. But do not have any hope, as hope is the first step on the road to a new Chaos Codex.

Achilles: -30 PPM
Cerberus: -30 PPM
Fellblade: -50 PPM

Yeah, a little.

Not Online!!! wrote:
erm, is the CSM page not just the full new CSM points in the soonish released codex?
Or a i seeing that wrong?

Oh gak it is too.

I was wrong: This document does have updates for CSM.

Not Online!!! wrote:
Actually the DP has the stipulation to buy a mark, but possessed cant and don't have that
Godless possessed here we come

Please, like something possessed by a Daemon from the Warp could ever be dedicated to a Chaos God. What silliness is that?

The downside of this is that Thousand Sons and Death Guard land raiders are 245 points while CSM land raiders are going to be 265 points. This implies that TS and DG are not getting T9 land raiders (and likewise the achilles will not be getting T9 either).

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/06/22/begin-the-new-season-of-warhammer-40000-with-comprehensive-free-points-updates/


" stay tuned for the latest Balance Dataslate, which drops tomorrow with a bundle of fresh tweaks to keep things competitive"

 xttz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/06/22/begin-the-new-season-of-warhammer-40000-with-comprehensive-free-points-updates/


" stay tuned for the latest Balance Dataslate, which drops tomorrow with a bundle of fresh tweaks to keep things competitive"

That seems fast. Just two months since the last one- doesn't seem like enough time to collect and analyze data, adjust things and test them.

Does help add to the impression that the game is constant in flux and putting stuff down on a table and playing feels like Zeno's paradox. The game you left the house to play isn't the game that exists when you arrived at the store/club/whatever.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 jaredb wrote:
My Eliminators Las-Fusils going to 0pts saved me a lot of points in my Vanguard marine army.

I've yet to use my Primaris army, so let me ask you this question:

As Las-Fusil's better weapons than Bolt Sniper Rifles?

I don't think so, they have different roles.

Really wish they'd highlight what changed :(

 xttz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/06/22/begin-the-new-season-of-warhammer-40000-with-comprehensive-free-points-updates/


" stay tuned for the latest Balance Dataslate, which drops tomorrow with a bundle of fresh tweaks to keep things competitive"

So according to this the Plague Marine loadouts are free. That is actually good news for PM.

Interesting things to note for the Guard. It seems command squads now have free medics, voxes and standards, as do Stormtrooper command squads and free voxes for Stormtroopers and Veterans

Special Weapons squads have no cost to weapons.

Officers have free power weapons, as do Veteran Sgts and Stormtrooper Sgts. Veteran Squads also now have free heavy weapons.

Bullgryns are 5pts cheaper.

Heavy Weapons Squads all cost the same.

Baneblades have had the cost of a lascannon sponsoon decreased to 30pts. So a total of a 60pt saving for the pair.

 LunarSol wrote:
Really wish they'd highlight what changed :(

Yeah. I've got the old doc on my computer at home, but I doubt I'll want to do the work at that point. (far, far too much other stuff going on)


In general, the inconsistencies make me itch. Even in the same faction, '+0 for this unit but +5/10/15 for that unit' feels real bad. A veteran guard squad vs a guard squad accelerates to 'this is not worth it' real fast.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I've yet to use my Primaris army, so let me ask you this question:

As Las-Fusil's better weapons than Bolt Sniper Rifles?

They do a different job. They are light anti-tank and elite infantry weapons. Flat 3 Damage is great vs Termies, Custodes, Wraithguard etc and pretty good for the points vs T7 vehicles. They lose the ability to snipe Characters though so they work more like infiltrating Devastators than snipers.

For 75 points though, the Las Fusils look kinda hard to turn down.

 Karhedron wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I've yet to use my Primaris army, so let me ask you this question:

As Las-Fusil's better weapons than Bolt Sniper Rifles?

They do a different job. They are light anti-tank and elite infantry weapons. Flat 3 Damage is great vs Termies, Custodes, Wraithguard etc and pretty good for the points vs T7 vehicles. They lose the ability to snipe Characters though so they work more like infiltrating Devastators than snipers.

For 75 points though, the Las Fusils look kinda hard to turn down.

Especially 5 of them as obsec shooters in a Deathwatch list