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Fellow BA collectors I am in need of some advice. Currently putting together an army and playing around with different lists.

I've never used nor seen a Stormraven in action but really really intrigued that you can assault out of it as I've been getting mauled trying to get into assault with my more complete Eldar army (admittedly pretty new to 6th edition rules still)

Is the Stormraven as useful as it seems on paper? I usually play my boy who uses pain in the ass Necrons (mass warriors/immortals with tesla and barges) and my other friend uses IG (blobs and demolishers)

Secondly, would it fit in well with my current list/collection which is currently:

Captain
2 Tac Squads - flamers, ML, heavy bolters
2x Assault Squads
10 man DC
Furioso dread
Predator - AC, lascannons
20-30 odd termies that still need to be assembled and painted

Feedback is much appreciated! thanks!

OK. never use the storm raven as a transport. it already 200+ and losing more than that to something with skyfire or a lucky shot is not cool. so, never use it as a transport.

Always use it as a gunship. I usually give it twin HB, MM, AC, and 4 Blood Missiles. That's a lot of firepower for a pretty stout unit that cant be blasted by just anything. Sometimes it doesn't make its points back, but saves other units from being shot at.

I always play one.

It's a mediocre model *at best*. Those claiming that it is good are not factoring in a) its horrible HP/point ratio and b) that it starts in reserve. Oh and c) if your opponent has Vendettas, you just wasted all those points, because the Vendettas WILL blow the crap out of your Stormravens point for point. It's not even close.

Unfortunately, its the best defense BA have against helldrakes atm. If the helldrake didn't exist, I'd never use a Stormraven. Ever.

Martel732 wrote:
It's a mediocre model *at best*. Those claiming that it is good are not factoring in a) its horrible HP/point ratio and b) that it starts in reserve. Oh and c) if your opponent has Vendettas, you just wasted all those points, because the Vendettas WILL blow the crap out of your Stormravens point for point. It's not even close.

Unfortunately, its the best defense BA have against helldrakes atm. If the helldrake didn't exist, I'd never use a Stormraven. Ever.

no one plays IG where I'm at Martel, its pretty nice.

Well, the IG are the whores of the galaxy. This game drives me a bit nuts because local metas can be totally different based on the absence of a *single kind of model*. I can't wipe my nose without tripping over a Vendetta.

Martel732 wrote:
Well, the IG are the whores of the galaxy. This game drives me a bit nuts because local metas can be totally different based on the absence of a *single kind of model*. I can't wipe my nose without tripping over a Vendetta.

Not quite.



And missilesides will wreck both your vendetta and your stormraven and then nuke your marines off the field and then the Tau player beats you up and takes your lunch money to boot.

but god tau is so gay looking, i don't care about winning if i can't look good doing it.

 g0atsticks wrote:
but god tau is so gay looking, i don't care about winning if i can't look good doing it.

You could always convert them and count them as AdMech forces.

The Stormraven is capable of nuking 2 Vendettas the turn it comes on thanks to POTMS.

If it comes on second and with proper positioning, you can ensure the Vendettas have issues bringing their guns to bear. Remember flyers can only turn up to 90 degrees and must move at least 18". That means if your stormraven is within 18-20" of the Vendetta it won't be able to shoot your stormraven this turn. Discounting whatever damage you are able to cause.


You come on, put 2 Bloodstrike missiles and the turret weapon into one Vendetta and put your MM into another.

2 Bloodstrike missiles

2(2/3)(.5)=.666667 damage results. Penetrating hits are AP1. Roughly 22% chance of exploding the Vendetta with just the missiles.

Assault cannon

4(.899999)(1/6)=.59 penetrating hits

Lascannon

1(.89999)(2/3)=.59 damage results at AP2. Roughly 19% chance of exploding the vendetta.

So if you have a lascannon, you are looking at a roughly 41% chance of killing the one vendetta(with roughly 2 hull points down at minimum)


Now the MM.

1-(1(1/3)(1/3))*(30/36)=.74 damage results. 37% chance of an explodes result.


You have a 15.17% chance of destroying both vendettas, a 37% chance of destroying 1, and a 47% chance of destroying neither.

but remember that a Locked Velocity can be equally crippling to a flyer. It locks it into a single speed(either 18 or 36") which can severely limit it.

Yes, yes, I know now the Tau are the new whores. We're a bit behind the times I guess.

Grey Templar:

First off, you have a cherry-picked scenario. You want the math if the two Vendettas show up second? The Stormraven death is virtually guaranteed, as opposed to an if-come-maybe that you have outlined here.

Secondly, you don't sum probabilities. Looking at pens only here, since HP stripping is not going to save you against multiple Vendettas:

Blood strike missiles:

(.66666)to hit(.333333)pen vs AV 12(.5) explodes with AP 1

Each one has an 11.1% chance to explode or a 14.8% chance to explode or velocity lock. Each has a 33.3% chance to remove a HP.

Lascannon:

(.89)to hit (.5) pen vs AV 12 (.33333) explodes with AP 2

This thing has a 14.8% chance to explode, 22.3% chance to explode or velocity lock, and a 59% chance to remove a hull point.

So with the machine spirit scheme, we have a

(1-(.889)(.889)(.852)) = 32.7% chance to explode
(1-(.852)(.852)(.777)) = 43.6% chance to explode or velocity lock
(.3333)(.3333)(.59) = 6.6% chance or removing all three HPs

So we have a 47% chance of removing all HPs, exploding or locking velocity. Less than 50/50.

The multi melta: only pens matter a single HP is negligible

(.89)to hit (.8333) to pen (.5) to explode with AP 1: 37% chance to explode, 49.4% chance to explode or velocity lock.

So in total, there is a 23.2% chance of exploding/velocity locking both, a 73.2% chance of exploding/velocity locking at least one (the previous case is a subset of this one), and a 26.8% chance of doing neither. Now cut all these chances in half, because half the time, (or more), you will come on the board first. And die miserably. Oh, I forgot to add: look at your price for the privilege of these if-come-maybe odds.

The math for broadsides is disgusting. Stormravens die. Period.

Fortunately, the Stormraven is also good at strafing ground targets. So its still very much a viable flyer.

It doesn't strafe anything when its dead. It's cost/HP ratio is very low. What do we mean by "viable"? The same as "good"? Or "adequately mediocre?"

Mine (when fielded) usually gets shot done on the other players turn, onthebgame turn it arrives. Once to extremely lucky interceptor fire to a quad gun and once to a lucky lascannon shot. I do like the model, it's just a bit expensive and I believe you need multiple flyers to get the most use out of them, however I would just take vendettas and have one SR for fun.

Martel your not looking at in the right perspective. You get a S10 AP1 template when its shot down too, just another bonus to take it...

A space marine chapter master is cheaper, lol.