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Question about the stats of the famous spear. The melee profile is user str, fleshbane, armourbane, & rending. How does Armourbane and rending work together? The rules for rendering on a vehicle is penetrating roll of a 6 adds D3. Adding Armourbane rolls 2D6, if I roll a 6+ with the two dice can I roll a D3 to add more punch?
Mr. Raynor

You get a D3 per natural 6. So if you rolled a 6 and a 3 you'd add D3. If you rolled 2 6s you'd get 2 D3 as well, though you probably wouldn't need it.)

That would have changed a couple of outcomes today. So I take it that the Spear is clearly worth the 15pts!

Waaaghpower wrote:
You get a D3 per natural 6. So if you rolled a 6 and a 3 you'd add D3. If you rolled 2 6s you'd get 2 D3 as well, though you probably wouldn't need it.)

If you roll 2d6 and roll did you have a armour penetration roll of six or twelve? Other cases have shown that 2d6=/=(d6+d6). On the other hand it would be silly to only get the rending effect when you roll a combined result of 6.

Just something to think about.

Armour bane is 2D6 added together. You get rending on any rol of a 6 (see Vindicare FAQ)

So does this mean if I roll a 2 and 4 from both dice that it counts as rending? Or do the individual dice have to roll a 6 to get the rending rule? I'm curious because the way the rule is written it says, Vehicle is penetrating roll of a 6 adds D3. Does not say that these rolls can't be combined to equal a 6 to roll a D3....I'm rather new to the rule when it comes to vehicles so I'm not trying to finagle the rule in my favor.

The individual dice have to roll a 6. Again, see the vindicare.

Each die that rolls a "6" adds an additional d3.

 Mywik wrote:

Waaaghpower wrote:
You get a D3 per natural 6. So if you rolled a 6 and a 3 you'd add D3. If you rolled 2 6s you'd get 2 D3 as well, though you probably wouldn't need it.)

If you roll 2d6 and roll did you have a armour penetration roll of six or twelve? Other cases have shown that 2d6=/=(d6+d6). On the other hand it would be silly to only get the rending effect when you roll a combined result of 6.

Just something to think about.

No it's not. 2D6 equals 2 Dice. Instructions are explicit when using two dice. If you pick the highest, it'll say so. In the case of armorbane it says you roll 2D6 for Armor penetration without any specific clarification beyond that. You know, the same way they word Leadership checks? So unless I only have to use one die for Leadership I'm going to call BS on this.

Waaaghpower wrote:

 Mywik wrote:

Waaaghpower wrote:
You get a D3 per natural 6. So if you rolled a 6 and a 3 you'd add D3. If you rolled 2 6s you'd get 2 D3 as well, though you probably wouldn't need it.)

If you roll 2d6 and roll did you have a armour penetration roll of six or twelve? Other cases have shown that 2d6=/=(d6+d6). On the other hand it would be silly to only get the rending effect when you roll a combined result of 6.

Just something to think about.

No it's not. 2D6 equals 2 Dice. Instructions are explicit when using two dice. If you pick the highest, it'll say so. In the case of armorbane it says you roll 2D6 for Armor penetration without any specific clarification beyond that. You know, the same way they word Leadership checks? So unless I only have to use one die for Leadership I'm going to call BS on this.

And BS it is! (not ballistic skill) With Rending Armourbane, you can get up to 6(natural)+3(rend)+6(natural)+3(rend)=18.

Someone mentioned the Vindicare earlier, whose best possible total is 39. He should be able to shoot THROUGH Land Raiders!

 Elric Greywolf wrote:

Waaaghpower wrote:

 Mywik wrote:

Waaaghpower wrote:
You get a D3 per natural 6. So if you rolled a 6 and a 3 you'd add D3. If you rolled 2 6s you'd get 2 D3 as well, though you probably wouldn't need it.)

If you roll 2d6 and roll did you have a armour penetration roll of six or twelve? Other cases have shown that 2d6=/=(d6+d6). On the other hand it would be silly to only get the rending effect when you roll a combined result of 6.

Just something to think about.

No it's not. 2D6 equals 2 Dice. Instructions are explicit when using two dice. If you pick the highest, it'll say so. In the case of armorbane it says you roll 2D6 for Armor penetration without any specific clarification beyond that. You know, the same way they word Leadership checks? So unless I only have to use one die for Leadership I'm going to call BS on this.

And BS it is! (not ballistic skill) With Rending Armourbane, you can get up to 6(natural)+3(rend)+6(natural)+3(rend)=18.

Yeah because a Vindicare getting a potential 39 for armour penetration is perfectly fine.

 Happyjew wrote:

 Elric Greywolf wrote:

Waaaghpower wrote:

 Mywik wrote:

Waaaghpower wrote:
You get a D3 per natural 6. So if you rolled a 6 and a 3 you'd add D3. If you rolled 2 6s you'd get 2 D3 as well, though you probably wouldn't need it.)

If you roll 2d6 and roll did you have a armour penetration roll of six or twelve? Other cases have shown that 2d6=/=(d6+d6). On the other hand it would be silly to only get the rending effect when you roll a combined result of 6.

Just something to think about.

No it's not. 2D6 equals 2 Dice. Instructions are explicit when using two dice. If you pick the highest, it'll say so. In the case of armorbane it says you roll 2D6 for Armor penetration without any specific clarification beyond that. You know, the same way they word Leadership checks? So unless I only have to use one die for Leadership I'm going to call BS on this.

And BS it is! (not ballistic skill) With Rending Armourbane, you can get up to 6(natural)+3(rend)+6(natural)+3(rend)=18.

Yeah because a Vindicare getting a potential 39 for armour penetration is perfectly fine.

Hmm should include a vindicare in my army next week

On a serious note. My statement was more a question than a statement. Should have clarified that.
So in which cases do i count the 2d6 separately and when do i add the result? Im having difficulties to properly distinct them. Interesting is that even the dakka tooltip tells me to add the results together when rolling 2d6 . I know that i roll multiple separate dice for say a difficult terrain check but at least to me the use of "roll 2d6" seems to be somewhat inconsistent.

 Mywik wrote:
Hmm should include a vindicare in my army next week

On a serious note. My statement was more a question than a statement. Should have clarified that.
So in which cases do i count the 2d6 separately and when do i add the result? Im having difficulties to properly distinct them. Interesting is that even the dakka tooltip tells me to add the results together when rolling 2d6 .

You add the dice together to determine armour penetration, however, to determine rending you look at each individual die. For each one that rolls a 6, you get the extra D3. then you add it all together, plus the strength of the weapon.

Awesome....Thank you all for clearly that up for! As for the worth of the Spear.....I think it is well worth the 15pts!