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Hello all, I am just starting my ork army and i'm a bit nervous about my warboss getting into close combat. It seems if i charge a squad witch another HQ hes gonna get wrecked by power weapons or some special rule especially if he gets challenged. I kind of want tor run him in a burna wagon just to soften up squads before charging them. I like that idea a lot actually. I'm just nervous I'm sure that'll go away after my first game.
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na man, war-boses are tough as nails; especially on a bike.

sides, not like he wont be alive again for the next match, give it a try before you decide if you like it.

Warboss=durable. Especially if you run him wiv a few'a da boyz!

If you want a REAL Warboss, put him on a bike with a group of biker Nobs, with a Painboy.

 davou wrote:
na man, war-boses are tough as nails; especially on a bike.

sides, not like he wont be alive again for the next match, give it a try before you decide if you like it.

The Ork codex says that if your warboss dies you must chuck him, you must then convert the closest Nob near the Warboss to the warboss himself

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Warboss is T5 without a bike and T6 with it. Unless he it hit by a force weapon (unlikely in most situations) thats been activated he wont be pasted and has good saves especially with a painboy around. Also dont forget his is WS5 by default so he hits most things on 3s even other HQs since only the die-hard melee monsters typically have better than WS4, and even if they didnt i think they'd own a normal boss anyway.

If you are running him in a wagon list and hes with boyz instead of nobz, then dont fight with him. You can either keep the nob in the boyz group with his own Pklaw in case something appears where neither can be challenged at the start of a fight, or keep it dirt cheap as a throwaway character. You decide who accepts any challenges, your opponent decides who stands down if you decline.

"Melee monster" as in every MEQ HQ that isn't a Librarian (not including Rune Priests who are, appearently, "special")?

So many replies thank you so much . Hmmmm warboss on bike seems like a lot of fun ork bikes look sweet as hell now im thinkin of goin more speedkult with lotsa bikes and trukks and the such so many choices XD this is my problem with 40k too much cool stuff.


Now that i look at it should i just get Wazdakka? Kinda want my own warboss fluff but he looks pretty good.

Don't forget that mega armoured warboss is cheap as chips. I remember when 6th came out and I was against this gk player which only had 2 ap 2 weapons. Sound of cling from power weapons was awesome.

I know it looks this way to someone starting out, because he'll strike last and his armor save isn't very good, but T5 helps out a lot.

As others have said, you do control who accepts a challenge. (Although anyone challenging a warboss is taking a risk; he strikes last, but he is likely to wound and kill whatever he hits.)

Plus, a warboss who cannot rip things apart in melee does not deserve to lead.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
"Melee monster" as in every MEQ HQ that isn't a Librarian (not including Rune Priests who are, appearently, "special")?

Even SM and BA Librarians have a WS of 5...

What MEQ HQ Librarian doesn't?

I prefer the Mega boss in a truck with some mega armored nobs. The boss comes in at 105 points with an invun save and he is a beast. Fact is I run two bosses one on a bike and one in a truck both arive at the same time and hit the same unit and they all die. EVERY TIME no one survives the one two punch warboss tactic.

I run a warboss on a bike with 6 nob bikers and a painboy on bike. Thats a t 6 model with WS of 6 (since I have a waaagh banner in the lot), 4+ cover 5+ FNP 6 attacks on the charge with an attack squig. 6 attacks at str 10 hitting most things on a 2+ and even at WS 5 they are hitting you on a 5+, I dont care what you are thats scary!

How are you hittin on a 2+?

I'm assuming he means "Wounding most things on a 2+" Nothing hits in CC better than a 3+.

Also, WS 5 would require most things to need a 4+ to hit you, not a 5+.

 kronk wrote:
I'm assuming he means "Wounding most things on a 2+" Nothing hits in CC better than a 3+.

Also, WS 5 would require most things to need a 4+ to hit you, not a 5+.

Kharn does.

If anyone ever took him,

 kronk wrote:
I'm assuming he means "Wounding most things on a 2+" Nothing hits in CC better than a 3+.

Except Kharn.

On topic, one of my favorite tactics is to put him in a Battle Wagon with a kittedout unit of 7-10 nobz (be sure to include a WAAAGH Banner for hitting most HQs on 3s).

Also, Ive found that at if you're not going to give him mega armor, then you should put him on a bike. You really need survivability on him, and you can't get much better than a 2+ or T6. Especially if he's your Warlord. Don't wanna go givin' out VPs, now do ya.

Yeah sadly the to hit table is gash a grot has a really good chance of landing a punch on a blood thirster.

It would be like a 5 year old trying to punch Bruce lee (in his prime) just not going to happen

Daston wrote:
Yeah sadly the to hit table is gash a grot has a really good chance of landing a punch on a blood thirster.

It would be like a 5 year old trying to punch Bruce lee (in his prime) just not going to happen

I honestly think the WS table needs a rethinking to reward high WS more.

Well, yeah. I forgot that Kharne has special rules. There might be another exception or two...

I was just referring to the to-hit chart. Thanks for pointing out my mistake, though.

 Kain wrote:

Daston wrote:
Yeah sadly the to hit table is gash a grot has a really good chance of landing a punch on a blood thirster.

It would be like a 5 year old trying to punch Bruce lee (in his prime) just not going to happen

I honestly think the WS table needs a rethinking to reward high WS more.

But then how will my guard commander beat deamon princes to death?

 Somedude593 wrote:

 Kain wrote:

Daston wrote:
Yeah sadly the to hit table is gash a grot has a really good chance of landing a punch on a blood thirster.

It would be like a 5 year old trying to punch Bruce lee (in his prime) just not going to happen

I honestly think the WS table needs a rethinking to reward high WS more.

But then how will my guard commander beat deamon princes to death?

Well obviously nothing would ever go more than 2+ to hit and 6+ to be hit.

It's just odd that a wildly flailing conscript can land a blow on Skarbrand.

 Kain wrote:

 Somedude593 wrote:

 Kain wrote:

Daston wrote:
Yeah sadly the to hit table is gash a grot has a really good chance of landing a punch on a blood thirster.

It would be like a 5 year old trying to punch Bruce lee (in his prime) just not going to happen

I honestly think the WS table needs a rethinking to reward high WS more.

But then how will my guard commander beat deamon princes to death?

Well obviously nothing would ever go more than 2+ to hit and 6+ to be hit.

It's just odd that a wildly flailing conscript can land a blow on Skarbrand.

"When beset by danger, When in dreadful doubt, Run in little circles, wave your arms and shout!"-Imperial Command hymn (schola-juvie version) all those little waving arms SHOULD hit SOMETHING

 Somedude593 wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Somedude593 wrote:

 Kain wrote:

Daston wrote:
Yeah sadly the to hit table is gash a grot has a really good chance of landing a punch on a blood thirster.

It would be like a 5 year old trying to punch Bruce lee (in his prime) just not going to happen

I honestly think the WS table needs a rethinking to reward high WS more.

But then how will my guard commander beat deamon princes to death?

Well obviously nothing would ever go more than 2+ to hit and 6+ to be hit.

It's just odd that a wildly flailing conscript can land a blow on Skarbrand.

"When beset by danger, When in dreadful doubt, Run in little circles, wave your arms and shout!"-Imperial Command hymn (schola-juvie version) all those little waving arms SHOULD hit SOMETHING

Well, reliably land a blow and reliably knock away Skarbrand's axe of KILLMURDERDEATH.

Sorry everyone, I was looking at the to wound chart... so sorry!!

The Bikerboss will wipe the floor with most non EW characters with his PK (because honestly, what kind of a git wouldn't give da boss a klaw?) Those 4-6 S10 PK Attacks is just insane, and when he's got T6, a +4 armor, +5 invuln, and a +5 Fnp, with 3 wounds, its really hard to kill him before he gets to swing. Its like having a monstrous creature on a bike zipping around the battlefield.

Just keep him away from force weapons, shenanigan characters (like mindshackle scarabs) or any other odd abilities that can instakill him, and you should be fine. Ideally, if you're sending him into the thick of the fighting, he'll have a nob escort anyways, so beatstick characters aren't as scary there either.

And as an added bonus, the Warboss with Klaw is a very good anti-tank weapon. My friends don't usually take Land Raiders because they're so expensive in points but if they do and I play my Orks, guess who kills the thing?

My friend likes to point out that it takes a bit of luck to kill a landraider with my boss. I keep telling him its not just the 6 S10 AP2 attacks that has a good chance to blow it up, its also the additional 4-8 S9 AP2 attacks (depending on how many Pklaws you have in the nob missile that the warboss is ALWAYS with) that have just as much a chance to kill it.
Hes one of those statistics people, that dont believe anything other than the odds of the dice by math. I judge mine by physical dice throws, and every time i try it even assuming the worst conditions i blow it up 90% of the time. Math cannot accommodate for the size of the dice/how many dice are bumping into each other/how they are bumping into each other.

Despite how strong a bikerboss is i still kinda squirm when hes alone lol. Ive had many times when it was just him and the painboy left, even though he had full wounds i usually end up going "Ah crap..RUN" lol

People who rely solely on math hammer tend to get hammered by those who use it only as a guideline to steer them towards safer bets.