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My Question is:
Can a Tyranid Tervigon spawn Termagants when it outflanks or arrives from reserves?

The Tervigon entry in the Tyranid Codex says that "At the beggining of your movement phase.." is when the Tervigon spawns Termagants. The BRB says outflanking follows the rules for arriving from reserves. Under the reserves section, it says that you place the models that arrive from reserve before you move models in your army normally. It does not specify if reserves arrive from the reserves during the Movement phase.

Typical answer will be no as arriving from reserves counts as movement, but it has been debated.

 Der Metzgermeister wrote:
The Tervigon entry in the Tyranid Codex says that "At the beggining of your movement phase.." is when the Tervigon spawns Termagants.

No, it doesn't. It actually says "A Tervigon can spawn Termagants in the Tyranid Movement phase before it has moved ..." it meaning the Tervigon. Very large difference there.

The BRB says outflanking follows the rules for arriving from reserves. Under the reserves section, it says that you place the models that arrive from reserve before you move models in your army normally. It
does not specify if reserves arrive from the reserves during the Movement phase.

The thing that would stop it from working if your memory of the Tervigon rule was correct is this:

BRB page 125 wrote:Unless stated otherwise, a unit cannot charge, or use any abilities or special rules that must be used at the start of the turn, in the turn it arrives from reserve.

Since the beginning of the movement phase is synonymous with the start of your turn, it'd be stopped.

Now - since the Tervigon *actually* spawns before it moves technically it could work - but it's a) obviously not intended and b) trivial to argue against.
Where are you measuring the 6" deployment from? The board edge because that's where the Tervigon measures movement from? The rules say that's only for movement, so doesn't apply to spawning gants.


edit: Also, are you on the 40k Houston facebook group? We literally just had this discussion less than an hour ago.

Thanks Norn Queen.
I feel like a major dunce now. Just like my Necron chronologi cal question, I checked the codex and rulebook, but just in the wrong places. (Page 124 vs Page 125.)
Haha, no I am not part of the Houston Warhammer 40k facebook page.

Us tyranids are really getting the short end of the stick with the new outflanking and infiltrate rules. :\

Eh, they're not that bad. It's just not a trivial turn 2 assault anymore.

No, a Tervigon cannot spawn after it comes in from reserves. For the same reason that Psykers coming in from reserves can't cast Blessings or Maledictions, as they occur before movement.

rollawaythestone wrote:
No, a Tervigon cannot spawn after it comes in from reserves. For the same reason that Psykers coming in from reserves can't cast Blessings or Maledictions, as they occur before movement.

Correction. Psykers cannot cast start of the turn powers because the reserve rules forbid it. Per the FAQ start of turn psychic powers are concurrent with reserves.

rollawaythestone wrote:
No, a Tervigon cannot spawn after it comes in from reserves. For the same reason that Psykers coming in from reserves can't cast Blessings or Maledictions, as they occur before movement.

Blessings and Maledictions happen before all movement.
Tervigon spawning happens before the Tervigon's movement. Different timings.

Reading the thread is a good idea usually.