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I think it is a pitty that the eldar didn't get any new phoenix lords for many of the aspect shrines despite there beeing fluff about at least Lords for shinig spears and warp spiders. So I propose that we invent rules for all the ones that are currently unknown. So far I've only done rules for Lhykosidae, the wrath spider but if I have the time and you like them I'll try to come up with some more. So without furter addo I present:


Lhykosidae, the Wrath spider

Points: 210

WS 7
BS 7
S 4
T 4
W 3
I 7
A 4
Ld 10
Sv 2+

Unit type: infantry, character

Warlord trait: seer of the shifting vector

Wargear: phoenix armour, warp jump generator, powerblades

Exarch powers: battle fortune, stalker

Special rules: ancient doom, Battle focus, Independent character, Fearless, Eternal warrior, Fleet, Hit&Run, life-ender

Life-ender: Lhykosidae and any unit he is accompanying may choose to either deep strike on the first turn or deploy normally, including into deep strike reserve. In addition doubles rolled when performing warp shunts may be negated on a 4+.

Remnants of glory:

The Fatecutter
Range: templete
S: 6
AP: 1
Type: monofilament, assault 1, pinning

That flamer is going to hurt so damn much...

I like it!

Well we practically know what the shining spear phoenix lord has, so he should be easy.

Ws 7
Bs 7
S 4
T4
W 3
I 7
A 4
Ld 10
Sv 2

Unit type: Eldar Jetbike, character

Warlord trait Ambush of blades

Wargear: phoenix armour, Sleipnir, Celestial lance

Exarch powers: Monster Hunter, Hit'n'run


Special rules: ancient doom, Battle focus, Independent character, Fearless, Eternal warrior, Fleet, Superb rider.

Suburb rider gives a 2+ to the phoenix lords jink save, but doesn't add to his units jink save.

Remnants of glory

Celestial lance: S8 AP2 Assault 1, Lance, Spirit Shatter (If it kills a character or MC, place the large blast marker over the slain model and all units (friend and foe) suffer a hit at the slain units toughness with AP -)
S+3 AP2 Melee, Impact, Lance, Spirit Shatter

Sleipnir. Is a an Eldar Jetbike. Once per game the phoenix lord and his unit (if they are also Eldar Jetbikes) may assault even after turbo boosting.

Didn't they also give the SS lord's name?

C'mon what's the point of having a flamer thats monofilament when its already feckin S6 AP1? xD Make it AP- with "Filament Frenzy" - If target's Initiative is 4 or less (or it has no initiative), hits are resolved at +1S. Also, on a 5 to wound, target is wounded automatically at AP1.

Thinking about an crimson hunter exarch.... It would be..... Different.

Phoenix lord "cursolandian"
( fun making Eldar names... They don't have to work)

Bs 7 fa 11 sa 11 ba 11

( a lot easier stats to write than the others lol)

Wargear
2 Lances of unforgiving woe

36" range, S 8 ap 2 lance, unforgiving woe: lances get +1 s, and minus one ap and may reroll all to wound / to pen rolls vs models with mark of slanesh, or daemons of slanesh special rule.
One pulse laser.

Special rules
Vectored dancer
His twin brother was a crimson hunter, but was captured and taken prisoner by slanneshes demons. As of such, he arrives from reserve on a 2+ against daemons of slanesh.
Exarch powers : night vision, perfect strike(correct me if I'm wrong but I think that's the 5+ presidios shot)

Fate has ruled that he shall not be able to rest until his brothers soul is at rest, and until it is so, he fights on with an arua of protection aroud himself. He has an 5+ invulnerable save.

. He has mastered the art of areil manuvering...He has +3 to jink saves.


Ps that was really weird, if someone else wants to try that.. Please do, would like to see other crimson hunter stats.

The shining spears Phoeninx lord's name is Drastanta, tempest of starlight. As for my flamer it is simply a spinnaret rifle that exchanges rapid fire for a templete

Which is op

As for "cursolandian" i dont know if you were trying to make something like "curse" "land" or something but I don't like it. Too long, sounds kinda gayyy. No homo. I'd name him/it Rosali


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@ninjafiredragon http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/542611.page my take >

Lhykosidae, the Wraith spider

Points: 240

WS 7
BS 7
S 4
T 4
W 3
I 7
A 4
Ld 10
Sv 2+

Unit type: infantry, character

Wargear: phoenix armour, warp jump generator, Master crafted powerblades.

Exarch powers: Marksmen's eye, stalker

Special rules: ancient doom, Battle focus, character, Fearless, Eternal warrior, Fleet, Hit&Run, Dark Path, realm strider

Dark Path. Lhykosidae fate takes him on dark, dangerous paths that would be all but impossible to any other then a phoenix lord. Traversing realities like an eldar would through an open door, no other Warp spider could keep up with him and keep his sanity.

Lhykosidae may move 6 + up to 6 d6 in the movement phase using his warp jump generator but if two or more 6's are rolled then Lhykosidae is 'delayed' within the warp and is instantly placed into on going reserve. Lhykosidae ignores the casualties of rolling doubles.

Realm strider. Such is Lhykosidae skill with his warp jump generator that in combination with reflexes that can only be honed by thousands of years of constant battle Lhykosidae is known to simply disappear when shots are fired at him, only to reappear to cause bloody retribution.

Before Lhykosidae rolls any saving throws he must first roll a dice for each wound allocated on him. On a 4+ Lhykosidae ignores that wound because he simply wasn't there when the shot connected as he stepped between realities.
Spiders wrath. Lhykosidae wields an ancient combination of spinnerets rifles connected to him in much the same way as a spiders hind legs. Simultaneously firing all 6 rifles with but a though unto different targets or firing them all in a tightly packed area, cutting through anything, even reality.

Strength 5. Ap 1. assault 6. Monofilament
Or it maybe fired as a 1 mm thick line outstretched 8 inches from anywhere on Lhykosidae base. Anything (friend or foe) touched by the line is hit with a single strength 7 ap 1 armour bane hit. If the first model is killed by that then the next model will be hit at -1 strength and so on.

My take on him is the reason we haven't seen him so far is because he is a very secretive and dark phoenix lord who embarks on the most dangerous of quest, too dangerous to even evolve his own aspect. Hence no Independent character. My take is that he is extremely powerful surgical tool, but he deserves all that power. He has been traversing the warp in and out for tens of thousands of years, that takes balls!

Tone down everything. 10-20 points more than the average phoenix lord and he gets that?!?!?!

I personally feel all phoenix lords need a little boost. Not because of there price, but because of what there stats are in line with. An ancient, demi god of battle is less skilled in combat then a Vindicare assassin? A founders of the most specialized troops in the game are in line with any Lowly Archon, and bested by a succubae? All phoenix lords need a much needed boost to WS and BS 8 as well as a bump in power level. The way I see it only Asureman is living up to my phoenix lord expectations, the rest just fall short in certain categories like invuls or strength (Sure, shred is nice, but you USED to have an executioner!).

I can make some pretty good Eldar names. These are from an 40k/Homestuck thing I helped some friends with.

Vraillius
Yllireas
Idaliryn
Lelithax
Jikanirx
Clarioli
Korlanil
Iladinax

Feel free to steal them.

IcyFireKnight wrote:
Which is op

As for "cursolandian" i dont know if you were trying to make something like "curse" "land" or something but I don't like it. Too long, sounds kinda gayyy. No homo. I'd name him/it Rosali


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@ninjafiredragon http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/542611.page my take >

I saw and I like. A lot better than my take. Hard to combine fluff and rules for me. Nice job.

ALEXisAWESOME wrote:I personally feel all phoenix lords need a little boost. Not because of there price, but because of what there stats are in line with. An ancient, demi god of battle is less skilled in combat then a Vindicare assassin? A founders of the most specialized troops in the game are in line with any Lowly Archon, and bested by a succubae? All phoenix lords need a much needed boost to WS and BS 8 as well as a bump in power level. The way I see it only Asureman is living up to my phoenix lord expectations, the rest just fall short in certain categories like invuls or strength (Sure, shred is nice, but you USED to have an executioner!).

Really? Just Asurmen? Personally they are all pretty good in there own way. Just because base stats aren't the same doesn't mean they're bad, that's for balancing reasons; in reality yeah a phoenix lord would single-handedly rape a vindicare but in the game they're made a bit worse to make room for more add-on powers.....

Kain wrote:I can make some pretty good Eldar names. These are from an 40k/Homestuck thing I helped some friends with.

Vraillius
Yllireas
Idaliryn
Lelithax
Jikanirx
Clarioli
Korlanil
Iladinax

Feel free to steal them.

Those names are too good. Especially like Vraillius, Yllireas and Clarioli (sounds like ravioli tho which I abhor, maybe Clavoreia?

ninjafiredragon wrote:

IcyFireKnight wrote:
Which is op

As for "cursolandian" i dont know if you were trying to make something like "curse" "land" or something but I don't like it. Too long, sounds kinda gayyy. No homo. I'd name him/it Rosali


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@ninjafiredragon http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/542611.page my take >

I saw and I like. A lot better than my take. Hard to combine fluff and rules for me. Nice job.

^^

The way I would bum up all phoenix lords would look like this/

Ws 8
Bs 8
S4
T4
W3
I8
A4
Ld 10
Save 2+

And in addition to all they're rules they have all ready they all cause Fear and get the special rule...

Soulfire. The phoenix armour is invariably inhabited by the souls of thousands of powerful exarchs. These souls live within the phoenix armour much akin to a miniature infinity circuit, granting the phoenix lord a deep well of psykic energy to call upon that surrounds the phoenix lords warp shadow in blazing soulfire.

The phoenix lord has the Adamantium Will USR, in addition any successful deny the witch attempts causes the casting psyker and all psykers and daemons within 6 inches take a blinding test.

I think that the phoenix lords should have some protection from being magiked to death. Also with each eldar spirit inside them is a low level psyker, they would afford some protection in the same way being a level 1 psyker would.

Other changes would be make Maugan Ra's weapon AP 2 (its an executioner, executioners are AP 2) and have the pinning test modified by how many kills Maugan Ra did.

Making the blade of destruction a master crafted executioner and make the silent death have shred, giving her the option. Give Karandras Hatred (incubi) for fluffiness and Fuegan flamer immunity ala avatar. Baharroth deserves some sort of special gun. Something like

Hawks vengeance. The hawk represents vengeance and retribution, Neither can be far away when this fabled las blaster fires.

Strength 5 Ap 4 Assault d6 +1, pinning.

Of course points would go up appropriately but I just don't see the phoenix lords as living up to there fluff.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
The way I would bum up all phoenix lords would look like this/

Ws 8
Bs 8
S4
T4
W3
I8
A4
Ld 10
Save 2+

And in addition to all they're rules they have all ready they all cause Fear and get the special rule...

Soulfire. The phoenix armour is invariably inhabited by the souls of thousands of powerful exarchs. These souls live within the phoenix armour much akin to a miniature infinity circuit, granting the phoenix lord a deep well of psykic energy to call upon that surrounds the phoenix lords warp shadow in blazing soulfire.

The phoenix lord has the Adamantium Will USR, in addition any successful deny the witch attempts causes the casting psyker and all psykers and daemons within 6 inches take a blinding test.

I think that the phoenix lords should have some protection from being magiked to death. Also with each eldar spirit inside them is a low level psyker, they would afford some protection in the same way being a level 1 psyker would.

Other changes would be make Maugan Ra's weapon AP 2 (its an executioner, executioners are AP 2) and have the pinning test modified by how many kills Maugan Ra did.

Making the blade of destruction a master crafted executioner and make the silent death have shred, giving her the option. Give Karandras Hatred (incubi) for fluffiness and Fuegan flamer immunity ala avatar. Baharroth deserves some sort of special gun. Something like

Hawks vengeance. The hawk represents vengeance and retribution, Neither can be far away when this fabled las blaster fires.

Strength 5 Ap 4 Assault d6 +1, pinning.

Of course points would go up appropriately but I just don't see the phoenix lords as living up to there fluff.

I fully agree on the PL power levels. They are effectively Primarchs, they should be better fighters than an Archon!

But the soulfire thing sounds kinda cool


Oh well, maybe next codex...


Von Chogg

IcyFireKnight wrote:
C'mon what's the point of having a flamer thats monofilament when its already feckin S6 AP1? xD Make it AP- with "Filament Frenzy" - If target's Initiative is 4 or less (or it has no initiative), hits are resolved at +1S. Also, on a 5 to wound, target is wounded automatically at AP1.

The Spinneret Rifle is already AP1 as well, yet still has the Monofilament rule... partially because it's still S7 against vehicles, Tau, and Necrons.