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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/31 06:49:22
Subject: Historical color problem
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Big Fat Gospel of Menoth
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Okay, so I started collecting my paints for my Germans, but I've run into a bit of a dillema. Battlefront says the base scheme of tanks is middlestone (late war). Plastic Soldier Co says Desert Yellow. Then the camo colors are different and I'm just a little lost. Is there anyone who can help me figure this out?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/31 06:53:57
Subject: Historical color problem
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
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http://www.artizandesigns.com/guides/germanpatterns.pdf
A pretty good guide to some of the uniform patterns, colours and where and who they were used by.
http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~dbertuca/miniatures/ref-ww2.html
Has information on camo.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/31 09:39:35
Subject: Historical color problem
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Yeah, quite often PSC and BF will recommend different Vallejo paints for the same job. But what you should remember is that there is no one correct shade for dunkelgelb. The paint was manufactured in different factories during the war and there was a degree of variation depending on various factors. Your best bet is pick whatever paint you personally like the look of. Personally I use Middlestone.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/31 10:29:46
Subject: Historical color problem
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Buttons Should Be Brass, Not Gold!
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It also depends how you will apply the paint and if you are using any modulation techniques afterwards.
I used to use Middlestone, but find it a little too green these days for tanks, though its still my default Dunkelgelb for smaller items such as tin helmets and mortars etc. Try a tan filter over it to give it more warmth.
Or try the new Dunkelgelb spray from PSC.
Are you using an air brush to apply or painting on?
For air brushing, look at the Tamiya range... Several good options there.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/31 12:12:32
Subject: Historical color problem
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Big P wrote:It also depends how you will apply the paint and if you are using any modulation techniques afterwards.
I used to use Middlestone, but find it a little too green these days for tanks, though its still my default Dunkelgelb for smaller items such as tin helmets and mortars etc. Try a tan filter over it to give it more warmth.
Or try the new Dunkelgelb spray from PSC.
Are you using an air brush to apply or painting on?
For air brushing, look at the Tamiya range... Several good options there.
I would go with anything he recommends, he is are resident Pro. Big P BTW love the new Tanks you painted up.May one day i be 1/2 as good as you.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/31 14:17:28
Subject: Historical color problem
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I use whatever BF suggests so I can stick with their paint guides and I love how the middle stone looks on my armor after washing and highlighting.
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Dont worry, Be happy
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/18 18:00:15
Subject: Re:Historical color problem
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/18 21:52:40
Subject: Historical color problem
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Middlestone with a Mud wash or similiar, it's only green looking if you don't mix it or apply it in 2-3 thin layers.
Middlestone looks like this when you wash with Devlan mud / Sepia and then dry brush with Iraqi Sand. I think it looks great
It's the best looking and most natural in my opinion, the Dunkelgelb sprays I see just seem far too vibrant.
Same again, under yellow light, bad exposure.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/18 23:20:24
Subject: Re:Historical color problem
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Major
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Here is my brit. Armor. English ivvy craft paint for Russian GReen and Vallejo medium camo brown for the uniforms.I just sucks that the closet brick and mortar place that sells Vallejo paint is 40 miles away. I was getting anxious and figure WTF i ll try this out.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/19 00:17:41
Subject: Re:Historical color problem
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Bounding Ultramarine Assault Trooper
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Here is one of mine, using the Dunkelgelb Spray Paint ( BF SP04);
After using the Dunkelgelb, I used a MSRP Brown Shade wash which kind of takes off the vibrancy of the Dunkelgelb and blends it pretty well. It makes the color a good bit darker.
I dry-brushed some Middlestone on it as well to blend some of the camo parts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/28 17:42:58
Subject: Re:Historical color problem
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Major
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Here is a few updated piks.All are still WIps.TEll me what you think? Good enough i hope.It just suks that i have to drive 40 miles to get paint and rite now i am extra poor.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/28 18:41:21
Subject: Historical color problem
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Buttons Should Be Brass, Not Gold!
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Look alright to me...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/01 18:04:05
Subject: Historical color problem
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Been Around the Block
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I have sort of come to conclusion that the smaller the scale, the paler the colours should be. Everything scales, so why should colour be any different. Knowing the tone you are after is one thing, but to make things pop on the table you need to figure out how the eye sees things. This is something that sounds like a given, but is actually very tricky. Especially from a distance, the sherman tank that is painted with "the correct colour" is usually just a dark lump, where the oversaturated, heavily contrasted and lighter sherman looks not only better, but can be better comprehended. Hard contrasts and pale overall look vs. dark paints over black basecoat usually tends to look more appealing in any scale, but when we go down to 15mm I would say that it is pretty crucial to keep things pale. Thats my 2 cents on the matter. If you want to see my theories in action, here is my photobucket with pictures of my recent army http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/Monnicala/library/FoW%20EGT%202013%20tournament%20army?sort=6&page=1
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