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weird idea for a new special weapon (plasma, grenade launcher etc)
a Las-SAW or Squad Automatic Weapon.
while a lasgun is supposedly able to be full-auto what about a light machine gun version? used to lay down suppressing fire or simply put more rounds down range then a standard las-gun.

able to be taken like a grenade launcher (special weapon) in a squad of guardsmen or vets its in essence a lasgun on steroids (in terms of volume of fire)

St3 AP
24 inch range
3 shots at 24 inches or at rapid fire range 6.
5 points

its general appearance would be a lasgun with an extended barrel with attached bipod (or not) and a large drum or box magazine battery on its bottom along with additional bulk in the body.

Im not sure if it should be affected by first rank-second rank since it is a lasgun based weapon but its also a special weapon. if it was affected it would fire 4 shots at 24 and 8 at rapid fire.

could be changed to fire additional shots if only to make it a more solid, cheap option for some additional las shots.

edit: got terms mixed up. fixed.

If this is a heavy weapon, shouldn't it belong with the heavy weapons teams? And what role in the game is this fulfilling that other heavy weapons cannot fill?

I am uncertain of why anyone would need or want 3-6 more lasgun shots from a heavy weapons team.

Actually it would make sense for Elysians in being able to be used longer then bolters in the field

Got the terms wrong. thought plasma guns, grenade launchers etc had a name attached (heavy).

its meant to be taken like a grenade launcher, plasma gun, melta, heavy flamer etc. for 5 points. not a heavy weapons team weapon.

To be honest, I'd take a souped-up version on HW teams too just for the luls.

Las-Gat

S3 AP- Heavy 12 24"

"Squad Automatic Weapon" just doesn't sound very Imperial.

Call it an "Emperor's Fury Multi-Las" and then we'll talk

Call it the Las-Blaster for all I care. call it whatever.

The Mark 3 "Fury" Las-Blaster
there you go....

When IG spend too much time fighting orks, they'll eventually just start taping a bunch of lasguns together.

Maybe a las version of the Heavy Stubber that's Salvo instead of Heavy so you get some shots on the move but at a penalty to range.

multi laser on a heavy weapon team anyone?

The Heavy stubber is essentially a 40k version of a .30 cal machine gun anyways

DOOMONYOU wrote:
multi laser on a heavy weapon team anyone?

The Heavy stubber is essentially a 40k version of a .30 cal machine gun anyways

Stubber is based on M2 browning. the big 50.

as for "taped together lasguns" I already have that, its a "Multi Turret" with 4 lasguns straped together on a pintle mount plays as a emplaced weapon.

but on topic. The Las-Saw, blaster, or whatever it should be called would be a weapon that's great for laying down lots of las-shots, effectively making 1 guy worth about 3 or 4 (or more) troops with standard lasguns.
with a squad of 10 putting out 20 shots (at rapid fire), adding a Las-Blaster would increase it to 26 or more. Vet teams carrying them could have even more las rounds flying everywhere with the increased vet BS, more rounds on target more kills.

Remember that a vet with a lasgun shot is worth ~7.5% of a marine kill. 10 Veterans in Rapidfire with a HWT 12-shot and 3 Special Weapons 6-shots is 40 shots, or roughly 3 marines.

Costed at 5 points for all options, this gives us a 90-point squad that can kill 3 marines within 12" if it hasn't moved that turn.

It's slightly more effective against Orks, at 7.

 Engine of War wrote:
Call it the Las-Blaster for all I care. call it whatever.

The Mark 3 "Fury" Las-Blaster
there you go....

Oi lasblasters are for my luvly Hawks!

DOOMONYOU wrote:
multi laser on a heavy weapon team anyone?

C.S.Goto approves

As for the lasSAW, Lasrifle?

Rg24 S3 AP- Assault 4 for 5 points seems legit.

For HWT maybe a dismounted version of the multi-las?

 Engine of War wrote:

its meant to be taken like a grenade launcher, plasma gun, melta, heavy flamer etc. for 5 points. not a heavy weapons team weapon.

Honestly this is what I would suggest for stats if you go the special weapon route.
Heavy Lasgun (or whatever you want to call it): 5 Points
S:3 AP:- Range:24" Type: Salvo 2/6

Allows it to act more like a support weapon, if you move you can still fire it, just not doing much more than a regular lasgun, but if you stand still and set up the bipod or whatever you can unleash a lot of fire. It being a heavy weapon would be hard to implement without increasing the shots to insane levels or increasing the S or AP. I mean there is no point in switching 2 guardsmen for a weapon that can only fire 6 shots, within 12" with orders the guardsmen could also fire 6 shots.

Buttons wrote:

 Engine of War wrote:

its meant to be taken like a grenade launcher, plasma gun, melta, heavy flamer etc. for 5 points. not a heavy weapons team weapon.

Honestly this is what I would suggest for stats if you go the special weapon route.
Heavy Lasgun (or whatever you want to call it): 5 Points
S:3 AP:- Range:24" Type: Salvo 2/6

Allows it to act more like a support weapon, if you move you can still fire it, just not doing much more than a regular lasgun, but if you stand still and set up the bipod or whatever you can unleash a lot of fire. It being a heavy weapon would be hard to implement without increasing the shots to insane levels or increasing the S or AP. I mean there is no point in switching 2 guardsmen for a weapon that can only fire 6 shots, within 12" with orders the guardsmen could also fire 6 shots.

I like this rule set best. salvo uses the smaller number for snapshots correct?

Salvo uses the smaller number and halves the range when you move, but you have full BS

Salvo is pretty much perfect for something like this.
24" 3/6 sounds about right for 5 pts, though even then it's not much better than a grenade launcher. Throw in pinning or a hotshot option to up it to str4 but gets hot, and it might be more juicy.

 Engine of War wrote:
Got the terms wrong. thought plasma guns, grenade launchers etc had a name attached (heavy).

its meant to be taken like a grenade launcher, plasma gun, melta, heavy flamer etc. for 5 points. not a heavy weapons team weapon.

Special weapons is what you're going for

This makes sense to throw in with the "Special Weapons Category" as they ALWAYS appear together.

That'd mean Regular Guardsman squads could take 1 (I think? I never use Guardsman squads because I never use platoons), the platoon's Special Weapons Squad could take 3, the CCS could take 3, and Vets could take 3. Not sure on PCS, as I said I never use platoons.

I could see that, there's never been a very shooty option for special weapons, meaning Vets don't often get high volume of shots to work with their higher ballistics. The closest thing to a "firing line" vet squad you could get was adding an autocannon/heavy bolter and plasma guns and hoping they don't blow up on you. It'd be killer fluff-wise and gamewise (though not OP in my opinion) to have Vet squads upped to having some 30 shots able to be used on the move. That'd be interesting to throw in with Harker...

Why not keep it simple & use the rules for a Storm Bolter? 2 shots giving it a higher rof, slightly higher strength & ap. This also works if you fancied giving a squad an "Urdeshie assault cannon" as used in Gaunts Ghosts.

 Yipyioh wrote:

 Engine of War wrote:
Got the terms wrong. thought plasma guns, grenade launchers etc had a name attached (heavy).

its meant to be taken like a grenade launcher, plasma gun, melta, heavy flamer etc. for 5 points. not a heavy weapons team weapon.

Special weapons is what you're going for

This makes sense to throw in with the "Special Weapons Category" as they ALWAYS appear together.

That'd mean Regular Guardsman squads could take 1 (I think? I never use Guardsman squads because I never use platoons), the platoon's Special Weapons Squad could take 3, the CCS could take 3, and Vets could take 3. Not sure on PCS, as I said I never use platoons.

I could see that, there's never been a very shooty option for special weapons, meaning Vets don't often get high volume of shots to work with their higher ballistics. The closest thing to a "firing line" vet squad you could get was adding an autocannon/heavy bolter and plasma guns and hoping they don't blow up on you. It'd be killer fluff-wise and gamewise (though not OP in my opinion) to have Vet squads upped to having some 30 shots able to be used on the move. That'd be interesting to throw in with Harker...

PCS and CCS can give everyone except the platoon or company commander a special weapon.