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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 22:14:14
Subject: Another Emperor?
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Sneaky Lictor
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Why not hop on the band wagon?
Here's my version of an Emperor I'd like to see:
1k points even
WS: 8
BS: 6
S: 7
T: 7
W: 6
I: 7
A: 6
LD: 10
Sv: 2+ (3++)
Special Rules: Eternal Warrior, Independent Character, Psyker Mastery level 8 (hear me out before criticizing, it's not what you think)
Wargear: The Aquila's Blade (Master Crafted AP 2 Force Sword)
Psychic Powers: The Emperor has the following psychic powers and may not take any others.
Earthshatter (Warp Charge 5)
Range: 48"
Strength: 8
AP: 3
Heavy 6D6
Maelstrom (Warp Charge 4)
Range: Hellstorm
Strength: D
AP: 1
Heavy 1
Bulwarking (Warp Charge 3)
The Emperor gains D3 Strength, Toughness, Attacks, and Initiative.
Inspiration (Warp Charge 2)
All friendly units within 48" immediately rally, gain Furious Charge, and Preferred Enemy (All)
Intimidation (Warp Charge 2)
All enemy units within 48" must reroll any 6's.
Protection (Warp Charge 1)
This power may be used multiple times in one turn. This may be used to ignore a wound after failing a saving throw (or being wounded by a Str D weapon.) For every successful save, the Emporer's leadership is reduced by 1 for any Psychic tests until the end of the next turn.
Very rough, probably has imbalances and definitely has terrible names for things. What do you guys think though?
*Edit: spelling
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 22:58:55
Subject: Re:Another Emporer?
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Lord of the Fleet
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Okay, I'm not going to make my own thread to show what I think he should be.
*Note* These rules are based using the Horus Heresy rules from FW. I'll explain my reasoning after.
WS8 BS6 S7 T7 W6 I7 A6 LD10 2+ (3++)
Special Rules
Primarch (IC, EW, Fear, Adamantium Will, Fleet, IWND, Master of the Legion)
Weapon Mastery
Father of the Primarchs
Humanity's Salvation
The Might of the Marines
Master Level 5
Master Psyker
Very Bulky
Wargear
Flaming sword of badassery
Giant claw of epicness
Shining armour of godliness
Weapon Mastery: As per Horus' rule; may split attacks between either weapon as desired.
Father of the Primarchs: Every unit with the ATSKNF (basically, any space marine) gains the legion specific rules of a single legion, as chosen by the player at the start of the battle.
Humanity's Salvation: Basically, Horus' God of War rule, however, the Emperor seizes the initiative on a 3+ in addition to the other rules. Furthermore, all units within 24" and can draw LoS become fearless.
Might of the Marines: Veterans and terminators may be taken as troops choice, and you may take one additional unit selection in a single FoC, as long as the unit is from a Marine codex.
Master Psyker: May select either two disciplines to know all powers from the BRB, or roll 10 powers on any discipline. All powers are WC1 when cast by the Emperor. The Emperor passes DtW on a 3+ when directed at him or his unit he is currently attached to.
Flaming sword: S +1, AP2, Master Crafted, Armourbane
Giant claw: S user, AP2, shred, Fleshbane
Armour: 2+ save, 3++, 6+ FnP, homing beacon (the one that lets people deepstrike with no roll within 12")
Cost: Drum rolls please...
700pts
Basically Horus+, and with psyker stuff. Figuring each ML is in the vicinity of 25pts now, I figure 5 is 125pts, plus all the other stuff he does better than Horus.
This to me is what a reasonable Emperor looks like when you use a solid, existing template and modify appropriately. He's a little more powerful all around than the other primarchs, and has psychic powers to boot. Influences the army as a whole in a very positive way, and it still a beast in CC.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 23:02:05
Subject: Another Emporer?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Houston, Texas
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rabid1903 wrote:Why not hop on the band wagon?
Here's my version of an Emperor I'd like to see:
1k points even
WS: 8
BS: 6
S: 7
T: 7
W: 6
I: 7
A: 6
LD: 10
Sv: 2+ (3++)
Special Rules: Eternal Warrior, Independent Character, Psyker Mastery level 8 (hear me out before criticizing, it's not what you think)
Wargear: The Aquila's Blade (Master Crafted AP 2 Force Sword)
Psychic Powers: The Emperor has the following psychic powers and may not take any others.
Earthshatter (Warp Charge 5)
Range: 48"
Strength: 8
AP: 3
Heavy 6D6
Maelstrom (Warp Charge 4)
Range: Hellstorm
Strength: D
AP: 1
Heavy 1
Bulwarking (Warp Charge 3)
The Emperor gains D3 Strength, Toughness, Attacks, and Initiative.
Inspiration (Warp Charge 2)
All friendly units within 48" immediately rally, gain Furious Charge, and Preferred Enemy (All)
Intimidation (Warp Charge 2)
All enemy units within 48" must reroll any 6's.
Protection (Warp Charge 1)
This power may be used multiple times in one turn. This may be used to ignore a wound after failing a saving throw (or being wounded by a Str D weapon.) For every successful save, the Emporer's leadership is reduced by 1 for any Psychic tests until the end of the next turn.
Very rough, probably has imbalances and definitely has terrible names for things. What do you guys think though?
These aren't bad. It's a good idea to use the C'tan powers because that way he can actually compete in Apoc.
You also need to increase wounds. ML is okay
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Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 23:08:15
Subject: Another Emperor?
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Sneaky Lictor
Wherever they tell me
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Blacksails, A few differences, namely on psychic stuff and special rules. Here are my comments: -With a strength of 7, I'm actually opposed to increasing his strength with more wargear. Out of curiosity, why were you thinking he should? -Might of the Marines actually seems unnecessary. Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't any unit score in Apoc? -The special rules I was considering for him I had mainly envisioned being psychic powers. We're on the same page as far as not letting him cast nearly a dozen powers a turn, but were going about it in different ways. My 1k points I had mainly worked out from the crazy C'tan. Mainly by using some of his powers, but bumping up the points due to better stats. Different template yes, but still a template. I know you've been debating a lot today, but what changes would you make? Primordial, I'm actually opposed to increasing his wounds. The largest of Monstrous Creatures still only have 6 wounds. Although he's beastly, he is still human.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 23:19:26
Subject: Re:Another Emperor?
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Lord of the Fleet
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I've unfortunately not had a look at the new Apoc book, so our templates differ, which will result is some weird power differences.
I'm also basing mine off of the HH books, which is designed to be played with itself, and can cause balance issues in normal 40k games.
I actually don't know if any unit can score. The rules for Horus allow him to take scoring vets, but that's because he can be taken in 'norma' HH games. Using their rules, a single 'Lord of War' can be taken for every 2000pts; these include super heavys and the Primarchs. So I guess that's the usefulness of that rule, if you're into that. It very well might be redundant in the new Apoc...or the old one. Someone else will have to answer for me, unfortunately.
I would normally be opposed to raising his strength via wargear, but a +1 to S8 is subtly powerful, and allows him to use the claw as a reasonable weapon choice. Makes one anti-tank, the other anti-infantry, with some target overlap, but made useful with weapon mastery. S8 is nice, not broken OP, but not underwhelming.
We're on a similar page for powers, I'd agree. My thoughts are to make the Emperor an army wide buffing unit, as my rules show. Though, for a dedicated Apoc unit outside of HH, an apoc power wouldn't be amiss.
I'd probably do a mix of mine and yours. Basically take my psyker rule, and add in one or two apocalyptic choices at WC 3 and another at 2. This would allow him to cost two Apoc powers, or mix and match with normal ones for buffing units and such.
I'm also trying to keep in the 600pts -750pts bracket, keeping him in a similar level to Horus and the other primarchs. So our power level goals might not match up here.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 23:23:34
Subject: Re:Another Emperor?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Houston, Texas
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I was complimenting you for knowing to give him the C'tan powers. I got in deep water for doing the same thing.
The Emperor is a god in the flesh. He's a culmination of 40000 experienced psykers. The gods fear him for his power whereas Horus was simply a pawn to them. He then preceded to release an attack that would have killed them if they hadn't high tailed it out of Horus.
He had the power to instantly vaporize Horus at any given moment. Up his wounds to 7 or 8. I think its ok....
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Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 23:25:44
Subject: Re:Another Emperor?
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Lord of the Fleet
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ThePrimordial wrote:I was complimenting you for knowing to give him the C'tan powers. I got in deep water for doing the same thing.
The Emperor is a god in the flesh. He's a culmination of 40000 experienced psykers. The gods fear him for his power whereas Horus was simply a pawn to them. He then preceded to release an attack that would have killed them if they hadn't high tailed it out of Horus.
He had the power to instantly vaporize Horus at any given moment. Up his wounds to 7 or 8. I think its ok....
Please stop using fluff to justify over the top rules.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/06 23:34:50
Subject: Re:Another Emperor?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Houston, Texas
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Blacksails wrote: ThePrimordial wrote:I was complimenting you for knowing to give him the C'tan powers. I got in deep water for doing the same thing.
The Emperor is a god in the flesh. He's a culmination of 40000 experienced psykers. The gods fear him for his power whereas Horus was simply a pawn to them. He then preceded to release an attack that would have killed them if they hadn't high tailed it out of Horus.
He had the power to instantly vaporize Horus at any given moment. Up his wounds to 7 or 8. I think its ok....
Please stop using fluff to justify over the top rules.
The temptation to see what you have to say is too great........
I'm saying the Emperor needs to be worth about 2 Horus to have the same fluff to TT nerf that Horus did. Those rules also aren't over the top. This is an Apoc only unit which as a rule are over the top. Look at the standard Warlord titan which is still legal...........
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Allow me to give my version, hopefully after my antics with Blacksails you'll still hear what I have to say. I'll make changes in red.
1k points even
WS: 8
BS: 6
S: 7
T: 7
W: 6
I: 7
A: 6
LD: 10
Sv: 2+ (3++)
Special Rules: Eternal Warrior, Independent Character, Psyker Mastery level 8 (hear me out before criticizing, it's not what you think)
Wargear: The Aquila's Blade (Master Crafted AP 2 Force Sword)
Psychic Powers: The Emperor has the following psychic powers and may not take any others.
Earthshatter (Warp Charge 4)
Range: 48"
Strength: 8
AP: 3
Heavy 6D6
Maelstrom (Warp Charge 4)
Range: Hellstorm
Strength: D
AP: 1
Heavy 1
Bulwarking (Warp Charge 3)
The Emperor gains D3 Strength, Toughness, Attacks, and Initiative.
Inspiration (Warp Charge 2)
All friendly units within 48" immediately rally, gain Furious Charge, and Preferred Enemy (All)
Intimidation (Warp Charge 2)
All enemy units within 48" must reroll any 6's.
Protection (Warp Charge 1)
This power may be used multiple times in one turn. This may be used to ignore a wound after failing a saving throw (or being wounded by a Str D weapon.) For every successful save, the Emporer's leadership is reduced by 1 for any Psychic tests until the end of the next turn.
Now he's costed point per quality about the same as the C'tan and can replicate similar attack power every turn.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2013/08/06 23:47:41
Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/07 00:09:01
Subject: Another Emperor?
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Grisly Ghost Ark Driver
Some Tomb World in some galaxy by that one thing in that one place (or Minnesota for nosy people)
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I say it looks good. My pylon will still have no problem with that just like a hierophant so go for it
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"Put your 1st best against you opponents 2nd best, your 2nd best against their 3rd best, and your 3rd best against their 1st best"-Sun Tzu's Art of War
"If your not winning, try a bigger sword! Usually works..."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/07 00:13:16
Subject: Another Emperor?
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Disguised Speculo
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The Emperor
Points Cost; 50% of the points cost of your army
Effect; The Emperor is too important to join just any old skirmish, instead, you pay points merely for the privilage of fighting a battle on the same world as his all high majesty. At the start of the battle, roll 1d6 to see if the Emperor deigns to assist. On a 6, he scours the opponent's forces from the board with just the slighest hint of a gesture. If not, he turns his gaze elsewhere, and you are left to fend for yourself
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/07 00:32:31
Subject: Another Emperor?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Houston, Texas
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A GumyBear wrote:I say it looks good. My pylon will still have no problem with that just like a hierophant so go for it
Referring to mine with the single tweak, his or both?
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Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/07 00:52:48
Subject: Another Emperor?
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Grisly Ghost Ark Driver
Some Tomb World in some galaxy by that one thing in that one place (or Minnesota for nosy people)
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Yours with the single tweak
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"Put your 1st best against you opponents 2nd best, your 2nd best against their 3rd best, and your 3rd best against their 1st best"-Sun Tzu's Art of War
"If your not winning, try a bigger sword! Usually works..."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/07 01:12:48
Subject: Another Emperor?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Houston, Texas
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Thanks
How many S: D hits do Pylons put out per turn again? Automatically Appended Next Post: Dakkamite wrote:The Emperor
Points Cost; 50% of the points cost of your army
Effect; The Emperor is too important to join just any old skirmish, instead, you pay points merely for the privilage of fighting a battle on the same world as his all high majesty. At the start of the battle, roll 1d6 to see if the Emperor deigns to assist. On a 6, he scours the opponent's forces from the board with just the slighest hint of a gesture. If not, he turns his gaze elsewhere, and you are left to fend for yourself
This is actually fluff accurate.......
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2013/08/07 01:23:53
Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/07 01:24:40
Subject: Another Emperor?
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Grisly Ghost Ark Driver
Some Tomb World in some galaxy by that one thing in that one place (or Minnesota for nosy people)
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They shoot 3 s D shots at AP 2
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"Put your 1st best against you opponents 2nd best, your 2nd best against their 3rd best, and your 3rd best against their 1st best"-Sun Tzu's Art of War
"If your not winning, try a bigger sword! Usually works..."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/07 01:36:27
Subject: Another Emperor?
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Not as Good as a Minion
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ThePrimordial wrote: Dakkamite wrote:The Emperor
Points Cost; 50% of the points cost of your army
Effect; The Emperor is too important to join just any old skirmish, instead, you pay points merely for the privilage of fighting a battle on the same world as his all high majesty. At the start of the battle, roll 1d6 to see if the Emperor deigns to assist. On a 6, he scours the opponent's forces from the board with just the slighest hint of a gesture. If not, he turns his gaze elsewhere, and you are left to fend for yourself
This is actually fluff accurate.......
I don't remember him scouring any battlefields with his psychic might in the books. Could you provide a reference?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/07 01:38:18
Subject: Another Emperor?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Well he's dead if he comes under fire from that.
Automatically Appended Next Post: motyak wrote: ThePrimordial wrote: Dakkamite wrote:The Emperor
Points Cost; 50% of the points cost of your army
Effect; The Emperor is too important to join just any old skirmish, instead, you pay points merely for the privilage of fighting a battle on the same world as his all high majesty. At the start of the battle, roll 1d6 to see if the Emperor deigns to assist. On a 6, he scours the opponent's forces from the board with just the slighest hint of a gesture. If not, he turns his gaze elsewhere, and you are left to fend for yourself
This is actually fluff accurate.......
I don't remember him scouring any battlefields with his psychic might in the books. Could you provide a reference?
We have yet to see the Emperor put any effort into anything in any current Horus Heresy book. The closest thing is in a Thousand Sons where he holds off countless thousands of demons after Magnus disrupted his project with the Eldar Warp gates.
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Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/07 01:53:18
Subject: Another Emperor?
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Disguised Speculo
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Pretty sure Big E never took a dump in the books either, but I reckon he'd need to from time to time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/07 03:45:39
Subject: Another Emperor?
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So there answer is 'there is no record of him wiping the battlefield of all enemies without a glance or any effort, however there are documented cases of him having to get down and dirty and fight like everyone else'
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/07 04:06:33
Subject: Another Emperor?
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motyak wrote:So there answer is 'there is no record of him wiping the battlefield of all enemies without a glance or any effort, however there are documented cases of him having to get down and dirty and fight like everyone else'
Did you not hear the thing about effortlessly killing hundreds of thousands of daemons trying to cheese it into the Materium through the massive tear? Probably a few dozen bloodthirsters, & Lords of change in there too.
No, not actual battlefields, but battlefields worth of dudes.
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Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/07 04:17:35
Subject: Another Emperor?
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Dont forget his "supernova compressed into a laser blast"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/07 04:22:30
Subject: Another Emperor?
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Not as Good as a Minion
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ThePrimordial wrote: motyak wrote:So there answer is 'there is no record of him wiping the battlefield of all enemies without a glance or any effort, however there are documented cases of him having to get down and dirty and fight like everyone else'
Did you not hear the thing about effortlessly killing hundreds of thousands of daemons trying to cheese it into the Materium through the massive tear? Probably a few dozen bloodthirsters, & Lords of change in there too.
No, not actual battlefields, but battlefields worth of dudes.
A Thousand Sons wrote:"Vast shoals of void predators were already massing, swirling armies of formless monsters, fanged beasts and awesomely powerful entities that lived only for destruction.
Would the Emperor be able to hold them back?"
That's all we get. You can't get "effortlessly killing hundreds of thousands of daemons trying to cheese it into the Materium through the massive tear? Probably a few dozen bloodthirsters, & Lords of change in there too" from that, unless you desperately want to. And it doesn't even say that he destroys them, he could simply have closed that tear and held it closed. You are reading too much of what you want into vague text, and making judgements from that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/07 04:30:02
Subject: Another Emperor?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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motyak wrote: ThePrimordial wrote: motyak wrote:So there answer is 'there is no record of him wiping the battlefield of all enemies without a glance or any effort, however there are documented cases of him having to get down and dirty and fight like everyone else'
Did you not hear the thing about effortlessly killing hundreds of thousands of daemons trying to cheese it into the Materium through the massive tear? Probably a few dozen bloodthirsters, & Lords of change in there too.
No, not actual battlefields, but battlefields worth of dudes.
A Thousand Sons wrote:"Vast shoals of void predators were already massing, swirling armies of formless monsters, fanged beasts and awesomely powerful entities that lived only for destruction.
Would the Emperor be able to hold them back?"
That's all we get. You can't get "effortlessly killing hundreds of thousands of daemons trying to cheese it into the Materium through the massive tear? Probably a few dozen bloodthirsters, & Lords of change in there too" from that, unless you desperately want to. And it doesn't even say that he destroys them, he could simply have closed that tear and held it closed. You are reading too much of what you want into vague text, and making judgements from that.
"Vast" & "Armies" implies numbers in the realm of what I said.
And holding closed a tear in reality is less impressive how?
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Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/07 04:35:15
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The point isn't if it was impressive. I was just commenting on how you said 'this is fluff accurate' when there isn't any fluff backing it up, and your one counter wasn't saying what you claimed.
Yeah it implies numbers in the realm of what you said. But it doesn't say in any way how he dealt with them or anything.
But I shouldn't have dived back in, I stayed out of your other threads after I decided to leave, and now that you've made this user's thread your own I'll stay back as well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/07 07:39:23
Subject: Another Emperor?
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Acolyth
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I must confess my fav is blacksails. And I am not saying that to make up for past transgressions. We were getting on well in last thread. I will only add he is a bit easy to kill. So I am going to take blacksails rules, add 1 and tweak the points as I do believe however he is a bit too easy to kill. I am going to take a rule that already exists, it is in the bretonnia army book. Is it damn powerful? Yes, but look online as many people have circumvented it before. Ps thanks for including some slightly dumbed down versions of my rules. And yes, he should be able to augment himself with psychic powers as you showed too.
WS8 BS6 S7 T7 W6 I7 A6 LD10 2+ (3++)
Special Rules
Primarch (IC, EW, Fear, Adamantium Will, Fleet, Master of the Legion)
Weapon Mastery
Father of the Primarchs
Humanity's Salvation
The Might of the Marines
Master Level 5
Master Psyker
Very Bulky
Wargear
Gilded blade of the Emperor
Claw of terra
The armour of Mars
Weapon Mastery: As per Horus' rule; may split attacks between either weapon as desired.
Father of the Primarchs: Every unit with the ATSKNF (basically, any space marine) gains the legion specific rules of a single legion, as chosen by the player at the start of the battle.
Humanity's Salvation: Basically, Horus' God of War rule, however, the Emperor seizes the initiative on a 3+ in addition to the other rules. Furthermore, all units within 24" and can draw LoS become fearless.
Might of the Marines: Veterans and terminators may be taken as troops choice, and you may take one additional unit selection in a single FoC, as long as the unit is from a Marine codex.
Master Psyker: May select either two disciplines to know all powers from the BRB, or roll 10 powers on any discipline. All powers are WC1 when cast by the Emperor. The Emperor passes DtW on a 3+ when directed at him or his unit he is currently attached to.
Wargear:
Gilded sword: S +1, AP2, Master Crafted, Armourbane, force sword
Terran claw: S user, AP2, shred, Fleshbane
Armour: 2+ save, 3++, 6+ FnP, homing beacon (the one that lets people deepstrike with no roll within 12"). In addition the Emperor can only ever suffer 1 wound during each phase. Any other wounds are discarded. This includes D weapons and weapons that normally inflict remove from play. (to do this I have removed IWND)
Points: 800
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Most epic win: Clanrat slaves killed high elf prince on griffon in one turn.
Most epic fail: Vermin lord only killed 8 warriors of chaos with irresistible dreaded thirteenth and was subsequently sucked into the warp via mishap. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/07 13:32:02
Subject: Another Emperor?
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Sneaky Lictor
Wherever they tell me
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I'm starting to like that one more and more actually. The special rules and stats seem better suited than mine, but like Blacksails mentioned earlier I think we're looking at different power levels.
I think for 800 points that's perfect. The armor makes him very durable, but definitely not impossible to kill. Shooting + assaults + attacks in the enemy turn can all add up pretty quickly to his 6 wounds. It forces your opponent to make decisions.
To bump it up to the 1k points and to the power level that I was thinking, I think changing the psychic powers to what I said above would do the trick. It gives him considerably more offensive power, but is also a 200 point increase.
What do you think?
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Tyranids 10000 points
Orks 3500 points
Raven Guard 3000 points
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/07 14:33:01
Subject: Another Emperor?
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Acolyth
England
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I think that would be a very reasonable idea, but it might border on the over powered. The armour is giving him staying power, but what you propose could make him essentially a walking nuke. The fact he can choose 10 spells and count them as WC 1 means in essence he can plonk out 5 template strength 10 ap1 shots a turn. That will turn almost any unit or tank into molten slag every turn. Not only that but you can only ever target one enemy a turn anyway, and the powers can all really be achieved through combinations of disciplines. Though I will deffo include the idea for the sword to be a force weapon. But if anything, your psychic powers are more limiting. He can cast at most, 3 of those powers a turn. Wheras blacksails with my slight editing can cast 10 and cause a lot more situational damage. Yours if anything, is slightly less powerful psyker wise. If your wanting more power, check the psychic disciplines again and look at combos. Remember, he isnt limited like space marine chapters, he can take divination and all sorts.
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Most epic win: Clanrat slaves killed high elf prince on griffon in one turn.
Most epic fail: Vermin lord only killed 8 warriors of chaos with irresistible dreaded thirteenth and was subsequently sucked into the warp via mishap. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/07 15:22:52
Subject: Another Emperor?
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Sneaky Lictor
Wherever they tell me
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Very good point on combinations of psychic powers. With that many spells to choose from you can use them together to adapt to nearly any situation.
I don't know if I agree with reducing the warp charges of certain abilities though. Out of curiosity, why did you guys decide to do that?
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Tyranids 10000 points
Orks 3500 points
Raven Guard 3000 points
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/07 17:26:09
Subject: Another Emperor?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Houston, Texas
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thorian wrote:I must confess my fav is blacksails. And I am not saying that to make up for past transgressions. We were getting on well in last thread. I will only add he is a bit easy to kill. So I am going to take blacksails rules, add 1 and tweak the points as I do believe however he is a bit too easy to kill. I am going to take a rule that already exists, it is in the bretonnia army book. Is it damn powerful? Yes, but look online as many people have circumvented it before. Ps thanks for including some slightly dumbed down versions of my rules. And yes, he should be able to augment himself with psychic powers as you showed too.
WS8 BS6 S7 T7 W6 I7 A6 LD10 2+ (3++)
Special Rules
Primarch ( IC, EW, Fear, Adamantium Will, Fleet, Master of the Legion)
Weapon Mastery
Father of the Primarchs
Humanity's Salvation
The Might of the Marines
Master Level 5
Master Psyker
Very Bulky
Wargear
Gilded blade of the Emperor
Claw of terra
The armour of Mars
Weapon Mastery: As per Horus' rule; may split attacks between either weapon as desired.
Father of the Primarchs: Every unit with the ATSKNF (basically, any space marine) gains the legion specific rules of a single legion, as chosen by the player at the start of the battle.
Humanity's Salvation: Basically, Horus' God of War rule, however, the Emperor seizes the initiative on a 3+ in addition to the other rules. Furthermore, all units within 24" and can draw LoS become fearless.
Might of the Marines: Veterans and terminators may be taken as troops choice, and you may take one additional unit selection in a single FoC, as long as the unit is from a Marine codex.
Master Psyker: May select either two disciplines to know all powers from the BRB, or roll 10 powers on any discipline. All powers are WC1 when cast by the Emperor. The Emperor passes DtW on a 3+ when directed at him or his unit he is currently attached to.
Wargear:
Gilded sword: S +1, AP2, Master Crafted, Armourbane, force sword
Terran claw: S user, AP2, shred, Fleshbane
Armour: 2+ save, 3++, 6+ FnP, homing beacon (the one that lets people deepstrike with no roll within 12"). In addition the Emperor can only ever suffer 1 wound during each phase. Any other wounds are discarded. This includes D weapons and weapons that normally inflict remove from play. (to do this I have removed IWND)
Points: 800
Pretty perfect for 800 points.
I can get away with playing a 1500 point Emperor at any gamestore within 30 miles. But I know not everyone can .
These are pretty good. They are basically a combination of mine and Thorian's rules with lower stats. Automatically Appended Next Post: rabid1903 wrote:I'm starting to like that one more and more actually. The special rules and stats seem better suited than mine, but like Blacksails mentioned earlier I think we're looking at different power levels.
I think for 800 points that's perfect. The armor makes him very durable, but definitely not impossible to kill. Shooting + assaults + attacks in the enemy turn can all add up pretty quickly to his 6 wounds. It forces your opponent to make decisions.
To bump it up to the 1k points and to the power level that I was thinking, I think changing the psychic powers to what I said above would do the trick. It gives him considerably more offensive power, but is also a 200 point increase.
What do you think?
Your power level is certainly more accurate......
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Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/07 18:16:03
Subject: Another Emperor?
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Acolyth
England
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The warp charge 1 is to represent his mastery of the warp. He has to exert the same amount of effort to rip a hole in the immaterium as he does to gust a little wind, so much is his mastery. So it is partly a fluff decision on my behalf but unsure on why blacksails agreed to it. But glad he did.
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Most epic win: Clanrat slaves killed high elf prince on griffon in one turn.
Most epic fail: Vermin lord only killed 8 warriors of chaos with irresistible dreaded thirteenth and was subsequently sucked into the warp via mishap. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/08 22:36:25
Subject: Re:Another Emperor?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Houston, Texas
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I'm not about to start up another thread but here are my finished stats
The Emperor of Mankind 1250 points
WS BS S T W I A LD SV
8 6 7 7 7 6 6 10 2+/3++ Invul
Unit type: Infantry
Unit Compositon: 1 Emperor
Special Rules: Terror, Very Bulky, 4+ IWND, Eternal Warrior, Psychic Mastery 6, Fearless
Psychic Powers
The Fires of the Endless Void: Warp Charge cost 3 S: D, AP:1, Hellstorm Template
The Light of Mankind: Warp Charge cost 3, 60 inch range, 6D6, S:8, AP:3 shots
Adamantium Arm (Iron Arm should cost him more due to his high stats) Warp Charge cost 2, Increases S & T by D3 for one turn.
Blessing of the Emperor: Warp Charge cost 2, 2 units reroll failed saves, & have their S & T increased by 1 for one turn
Special Rules
God of Mankind: The Emperor of Mankind can bestow a chosen specific Legiones Astartes special rule unto a Tactical squad. This is done before the game starts and may be done up to 3 times.
Psychic God: The Emperor possesses a 3+ DTW, and on a 3+ ignores Perils of the Warp. Once per game the Emperor may up his Mastery Level to 8 for one turn.
I Shall not fall: Against attacks which would instantly kill the Emperor (like the new Bo Schitt S: D table) the Emperor instead takes D3 wounds
Bindings of Mankind: If the Emperor falls all units in your army permanently lose D3 leadership, any rule such as fearless, & fail any morale tests taken for the next turn.
Master of the Astartes: 2 units of your choice do not scatter when Deep Striked.
Master of the Custodes: The Emperor makes Custodes a troop choice.
Wargear
Armor of the Divine Aquilla: This armor bestows the Emperor a 2+ armor save, a 3++ Invul save, & is immune to effects like the Vindicares shield breaker.
Sword of Mankind: This is a melee weapon with the following profile: S+1, AP:2, Murderous Strike, always strikes first
The Aquilla's Grasp: This is a melee weapon with the following profile: S:as user, AP:2, successful wounds with this weapon permanently decrease the target's S & T by one.
Notes
He has 7 wounds because unarmored he should be about as tough as Mortarion.
(Mortarion inherited the Emprah's toughness like Magnus inherited his psychic power, Angron his strength. etc)
He simply has the powers I described not any BRB powers
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Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." |
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