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Hi, all.

A quick question, if I may?

The Master of Ordnance (who is a Regimental Advisor for a Company Command Squad) can call down one artillery strike per shooting phase; and the Codex states that this attack is an Ordnance, Barrage 1 weapon, but I cannot find anywhere that states this attack is either a Blast, or Large Blast attack. I’ve even checked the Eratas to no avail.

Have I missed it somewhere?

Good catch actually. Just read all the relevant rules and can't find anything...
Anyone else?

Its a large blast, ala manticore.

rustproof wrote:
Its a large blast, ala manticore.

I assume you have a page number for this?

Tactical_Genius wrote:Good catch actually. Just read all the relevant rules and can't find anything...
Anyone else?

Cheers. I thought is was quite a "in yo face" omission that someone's bound to have Errata'd it, or raised this issue before. However, I couldn't find anything. I've even emailed GW, lets see if I get a reply.

rustproof wrote:Its a large blast, ala manticore.

Thanks, can you advise where it states this?

Strict RAW, it cannot be used as it is neither Blast nor Large Blast.

Fluff-wise it is long range fire from Basilisks dozens of miles behind the frontlines and logically would use a Large Blast. This is also the only way I've seen it played.

 Happyjew wrote:
Strict RAW, it cannot be used as it is neither Blast nor Large Blast.

Fluff-wise it is long range fire from Basilisks dozens of miles behind the frontlines and logically would use a Large Blast. This is also the only way I've seen it played.

Okay, how can you scatter it, then, if it's neither Blast, nor Large Blast?


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My friends and I assume it was a Large Blast, as I assume it's a Basilisk lobbin' shells, but as I couldn't find out, we agreed to use the Blast marker.

All Barrage weapons are Blast/Large Blast weapons. However, you cannot use the Blast marker as OB is not Blast; nor can you use the Large Blast marker as it is not Large Blast.

Edit: As to why I say it is from Basilisks is due to the 5th ed FAQ:

Q. If you have a Master of Ordnance and a Heavy
Weapons Team with a mortar in the same unit, does
the multiple barrage rule take precedence or does the
Master of Ordnance's special scatter rule over-rule this?
(p31)
A. The Master of Ordnance’s special scatter rule takes
precedence and the two fire independently of each
other (but both must still fire at the same target).
Clearly using the mortar to range find for Basilisks
dozens of miles behind the frontlines is silly – that’s
what the Master of Ordnance is suppose to be doing.

Im pretty sure this is a hold over from last edition where there was a rule where ordnance (or ordnance barrage perhaps) were always large blasts.

But that rule is now gone

It refers to a 'template' in the * part of its rules.

Never saw that it didn't have a blast/largeblast rule

Just assumed it is a basilisk shot hence large blast.

Nice spotting

As CrownAxe said, since it is a 5th ed codex, and all Ordnance Blast weapons used the Large Blast marker in 5th edition, there was no need to specify. For some reason they updated the Chapter Master Bombardment to include Large Blast, but they forgot MoO.

It used to be large blast, as the rules for 5th dictated that Ordnance, Blast was ALWAYS large blast.

Now it has no specified size. I would play it as Large Blast.

...
Well dang.

It does state that it is a barrage weapon with a scatter that is reduced by the Master of Ordnance's BS, so it does go against the standard rules for barrage weapons.

I swear there was an entry in fifth edition rulebook that stated ordnance weapons that don't specify blast or large blast are to use the large blast but even if that was true, I doubt that rule got carried over to 6th edition.

Aye, as above. Unless otherwise stated it was Large Blast. But this rule didn't make it from 5th to 6th.

 Dannyevilguy wrote:
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Well dang.

It does state that it is a barrage weapon with a scatter that is reduced by the Master of Ordnance's BS, so it does go against the standard rules for barrage weapons.

All barrage reduces scatter by BS (unless fired indirectly). So that part is no different. The always scatters even on a hit, is a deviation from the norm.

I swear there was an entry in fifth edition rulebook that stated ordnance weapons that don't specify blast or large blast are to use the large blast but even if that was true, I doubt that rule got carried over to 6th edition.

There was, and it has been mentioned it did not get carried over.

 Happyjew wrote:
As CrownAxe said, since it is a 5th ed codex, and all Ordnance Blast weapons used the Large Blast marker in 5th edition, there was no need to specify. For some reason they updated the Chapter Master Bombardment to include Large Blast, but they forgot MoO.

for some reason...

The reason is that GW caters to marine players and is fine to screw everyone else

I guess ive never played a pedantic rules lawyer while using the m.o.o's in 6th..