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So if I was in combat with a model using Dark Excommiuncation my daemonic gifts cease to work, is the effect of the grimoire classed as a daemonic gift?, the grimoire itself is thanks to the wording of the codex but the ongoing effect of the grimoire I am not sure on. Things like the doomstone of course would cease to work and so do the weapons, and so would the grimoire itself (if I could use it in the assault phase)

opinions?

Was the guy in assault carrying the grimoire, or was he under its effects?

Does it matter, its a ongoing effect rather then constant effect. IF the grimoire bearers dies the effect does not go away so that shows that the effect is ongoing once it has been put on them and isnt stopped working if the grimoire stops working (either by being dead or being DE)

MarkyMark wrote:
Things like the doomstone of course would cease to work

I'm not sure this is true. Both Doomstone and Dark Excom occur at the start of the Fight sub-phase (the GK power was errata'ed). So in the GK turn, you would NOT use the Doomstone. But in your turn, as controlling player, you could choose whether the power or the Ld check occurs first.
I think the same would be true of the Eternal Blade. You get to roll a D3 before the power goes off, if it's your turn.

Now, whether Dark Excom can banish ongoing effects, like the Grimoire's +2/-1, or the +D3 from the Eternal Blade...I've been waiting for a FAQ on that one. As a GK/Daemon player, HIWPI is that Dark Excom does not strip already-cast bonuses, but it does effect the ability to cast more. A Psyker DP, for example, would not have his +D3 from Iron Arm stripped, but he would be unable to cast a power that phase (which doesn't actually matter, since he doesn't HAVE any assault phase powers...but in theory....)

Last time I checked, the grimore was an Exalted Reward, not a Demonic Gift so would be uneffected by Dark Excommunication.

Its a hellforged arterfact so under the daemonic gifts section.

CrownAxe wrote:
Last time I checked, the grimore was an Exalted Reward, not a Demonic Gift so would be uneffected by Dark Excommunication.

The grimoire is a demonic gift. If the unit carrying the grimoire is assaulted and dark ex is casted succesfully it ceases to work. So the unit that has the imp. inv save would lose that improvement.

If a unit that is under the effect of the grimoire but not the bearer of the grimoire is assaulted and dark ex successfully casted it doesnt lose the inv save.

For reference:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/542556.page

DE referenced pyskic powers, how else could DE stop a Pys power if it was not in fact an ongoing effect?

Edit: Nvm phy powers are under daemonic gifts and I ipso facto'd them being stopped from DE so I guess DE canceling ongoing powers is up in the air?

Lmao, the reason this hasnt been faq because its so clear.....

There hasnt been ANY daemon faq!.

What basis do you say the +2 goes?, if the gift ceases to work it is the same result as if the bearer had died?, both cease to work then. IF the bearer dies so you can no longer use it does the effect go?, No.

Its a on going effect regardless if the bearer is in the unit or not IMO, you have no permission to remove the effect of the gift.

Or would you say if a character had lost ld to the doomstone would his ld then go up because the doomstone stopped working during that assault phase?.

If a unit had soul blaze on them from horrors shooting at them would that stop working as Flickering fire termed as a gift, what that stop working if the horrors were in combat with a model with DE?

IF a model was under another effect from a daemon psyhic power what that cease to work while the caster was in CC with a model with DE?

MarkyMark wrote:
Lmao, the reason this hasnt been faq because its so clear.....

There hasnt been ANY daemon faq!

Except, of course for this one. For the 6th edition codex.

That FAQ is practically worthless. It still has the disclaimer about the brand new book being "an older codex, written for a previous edition of the rules."

But yes, there is technically a Daemon FAQ. It's just dumb.

 Happyjew wrote:

MarkyMark wrote:
Lmao, the reason this hasnt been faq because its so clear.....

There hasnt been ANY daemon faq!

Except, of course for this one. For the 6th edition codex.

The faq with not one faq about as useful as your post haha