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As I want to add a SM Chapter as Allies for my Space Wolves I´d like to know if there are chapters out there who share a friendship or at least a renowned past with the Wolves.

The rivalry between the Space Wolves and the Dark Angels has periods of time where it is much more friendly and fosters mutual respect between them, though at other times it's much more hostile.

Ten thousand years is a really long time, emotions can go either way.

ETA: I spel gud.

It doesn't really come under history now (since GW rolled the clock back to before it happened) but during the 13th Black Crusade Grimnar was elected supreme commander of Astartes forces. The Unforgiven, the Relictors and latterly (after their Chapter Master went MIA) the Marines Errant were notable for doing their own thing, but almost all the other chapters involved submitted to his authority.

I can't think of any documented examples. But it would stand to reason that they would get along better with those Chapters that put more value in the lives of common man. So that's Salamanders straight off the bat, and I would think Blood Angels too. By contrast, while they are probably going to rouse the ire of the Codex-loving Ultramarines, diplomacy on both sides (yes, Grimnar is a great diplomat) means they can still work together well when needed.

The rivalry between the Space Wolves and the Dark Angels has periods of time where it is much more friendly and fosters mutual respect between them

Great, the combination of dour stoicism and knee-slapping antics means I now have a Belial/Lukas buddy comedy in my head, in the same vein as Cable/Deadpool.

Logan is a great diplomat?

Also, yeah, Salamanders probably.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Logan is a great diplomat?

Yup - if you read his Codex entry, it explains at length how he's well respected throughout the Imperium and how he's a great motivator and speaker as well.

I believe the white scars have a good relationship with the space wolves.

Off the top of my head, Salamanders.

They're also a nice counterpart - obsessed with flame and meltas, and hard things, and scales, and things that burn fur and hair...

And then there's the Space Wolves.

I can imagine what'd happen. It wouldn't be pretty.

40 k - WS, BA, Sallies

Heresy time - Ultramarines (one of the Guilimans chosen few)

DA - deadly combination (like Legolas and Gimili )

The Space Wolves, themselves, are popular across most of the Imperium. Every time one of the Great Hunts is called, the Chapter goes ranging far and wide and, though they have not yet found Russ, each one of these Hunts ends up running into some nasty, monstrous thing that is threatening some Imperial world or another...


... and so the Space Wolves, of course, kick its ass and the people build statues in their honor and there's a whole lot of "Logans" and "Bjorns" and other, Viking-themed names given to children on that world for a generation or five.

The SW are one of the most-popular Chapters in the Imperium amongst the common people, the majority of whom have never heard of Armageddon or know anything of the events that went on there.

The Luna Wolves? You know, wolves run together

 Exergy wrote:
The Luna Wolves? You know, wolves run together

wot
haha no youre actually right the luna wolves and space wolves were very close before Horus got all whiney.

 WE Drake Man wrote:

 Exergy wrote:
The Luna Wolves? You know, wolves run together

wot
haha no youre actually right the luna wolves and space wolves were very close before Horus got all whiney.

their primarchs were the first 2 found.
I am sure they still are very close.
Both chapters fields "tactical marines" with ubergrit. Both chapters field terminators with power weapons rather than fists and combi melta/plas in lew of stormbolters. Both chapters have an affinity for Axes.

I am seeing a lot of similarities.

 Exergy wrote:

 WE Drake Man wrote:

 Exergy wrote:
The Luna Wolves? You know, wolves run together

wot
haha no youre actually right the luna wolves and space wolves were very close before Horus got all whiney.

their primarchs were the first 2 found.
I am sure they still are very close.
Both chapters fields "tactical marines" with ubergrit. Both chapters field terminators with power weapons rather than fists and combi melta/plas in lew of stormbolters. Both chapters have an affinity for Axes.

I am seeing a lot of similarities.

How could they still be close when the luna wolves are now the black legion? and even if they didnt all defect, the ones who didnt like Loken and Qruze would all be dead by now

 Super Ready wrote:
I can't think of any documented examples. But it would stand to reason that they would get along better with those Chapters that put more value in the lives of common man. So that's Salamanders straight off the bat, and I would think Blood Angels too. By contrast, while they are probably going to rouse the ire of the Codex-loving Ultramarines, diplomacy on both sides (yes, Grimnar is a great diplomat) means they can still work together well when needed.

He was a terrible diplomat in Emperor's Gift, to the point that Bjorn had to tell him to sit down and shut up.



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 Super Ready wrote:


Great, the combination of dour stoicism and knee-slapping antics means I now have a Belial/Lukas buddy comedy in my head, in the same vein as Cable/Deadpool.

This I like.

The White Scars would be a good bet, as they have a lot in common.

I agree with who said the white scars, for one they are very similiar in their cultures (tribal, primitive, fierce). Also its stated on lexicanium that when the Khan was in theChondax system and heard from Dorn about Horus' betrayal, Dorn pleaded for him to return to terra, Russ then contacted the Khan and offered to have their legions unite and travel together as a unified force to fight against Horus. So that to me sounds like their primarchs were friendly towards one another. I think thats from brotherhood of the storm? But maybe a diff source. Dark angels could be cool too

Is there some fluff about SW and Black Templars?

tommse wrote:
Is there some fluff about SW and Black Templars?

No, that would be too much manliness to contain on one page

How about just allying with your primarch? You know, take IG allies with leman russ overload!

I think the best you can hope for is a non-negative relationship, like with White Scars due to cultural similarities, or Ultramarines who are always professional (and Guilliman considered Russ one of his more dependable brothers).

I don't think anyone actively likes the Space Wolves. You're lucky just to find someone without a blood feud or grudge against them, something that's becoming rarer and rarer.

 Omegus wrote:
You're lucky just to find someone without a blood feud or grudge against them, something that's becoming rarer and rarer.

If that were true 20-odd chapters wouldn't have accepted Grimnar's leadership during the 13th Black Crusade, which they did.

BA is a good bet; they fight together a lot, notable during the wars for Armageddon.

Surely all of the original chapters would have the closest relationship, despite rivalries? (ie SW/DA)

 Citizen Luka wrote:
Surely all of the original chapters would have the closest relationship, despite rivalries? (ie SW/DA)

Possibly, but at the same time the rivalries would most likely be the fiercest between those chapters. The first founding chapters are, for the most part, archetypes of marine combat. Each one feels their way is the best, and frequently look down on the ways the other first foundings fight.

I'm not sure about the Space Wolves and Blood Angels getting along really well, but I can't think of any incidents between the two so its likely that they're at least neutral with each other.

 WE Drake Man wrote:

 Exergy wrote:

 WE Drake Man wrote:

 Exergy wrote:
The Luna Wolves? You know, wolves run together

wot
haha no youre actually right the luna wolves and space wolves were very close before Horus got all whiney.

their primarchs were the first 2 found.
I am sure they still are very close.
Both chapters fields "tactical marines" with ubergrit. Both chapters field terminators with power weapons rather than fists and combi melta/plas in lew of stormbolters. Both chapters have an affinity for Axes.
I am seeing a lot of similarities.

How could they still be close when the luna wolves are now the black legion? and even if they didnt all defect, the ones who didnt like Loken and Qruze would all be dead by now

the past is the past, I dont think it would separate two brothers destined to be together forever.

Im kinda more partial to white scars they kindof have a similar mentality (im my eyes to the space wolves) but so do salamanders so I guess its a toss up. I kinda figure if they can be battle brothers according to the chart in the rule book then so be it at some point they may have worked together without killing eachother so it works...

Imperial Deceit wrote:
BA is a good bet; they fight together a lot, notable during the wars for Armageddon.

The only Armageddon War where both were present was the 3rd, during which they fought on different continents. (BA only had a single company, who fought at Tempestora Hive alongaside the Salamanders, Marines Errant and Storm Giants)

I thought they had good relations with the ultramarines due to the fact that they are *on paper atleast* the best chapter at everything. Or they were until the Damocles crusade. Which reminds me after reading the farsight supplement I noticed the Ultra's weren't mentioned during the fighting it was always some obscure chapter mentioned. Why is this?

SerQuintus wrote:

 Omegus wrote:
You're lucky just to find someone without a blood feud or grudge against them, something that's becoming rarer and rarer.

If that were true 20-odd chapters wouldn't have accepted Grimnar's leadership during the 13th Black Crusade, which they did.

There's a big difference between respect and friendship. The Thousand Sons respected Space Wolves.