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 SilverMK2 wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:
As someone who paints very slowly to get a result I can be proud of rather than 3 colour base, drybrush, dunk model in wash like a lot of people I know, this rule disgusts me.

Yeah, but let's be honest here. People who paint well but just need a little more time to get their models finished are a minority compared to the people who have bare plastic armies (often with broken parts due to careless treatment, glue puddles everywhere, etc) because they just don't give a .

Agreed. I paint slowly - it has taken me almost 2 years to paint my Eldar army and even then it is still not finished. It took me about 3 years to paint my CSM (and there are a couple of units I don't have painted which bump me from 1500 points to 2000 which I still need to do).

I've found the best motivator to paint is knowing I have a game coming up, regardless of whether there is any painting metric scores. Even a friendly game means that I am going to break out the stuff that needs painting and get going on painting. I don't have a local store/club without driving into the city, but if I had one in the local town and so could play easily you can bet your butt I would paint the hell out of my models faster than I do now, when I play only very rarely.

Being a slow painter is no excuse for not painting. Not enjoying painting is not an excuse for not having a painted army. I'm slow and hate painting - just means I have found ways of quickly painting models to a reasonable standard and whenever I have a game coming up I try to include at least one unit I have not got painted yet to motivate me

I also paint slowly, and like yourself, always find that an upcoming game motivates me to paint.



@jono - dont disparage people who basecoat and dip. They get their models done, to a standard that they are comfortable, able and happy with. It's a lot better than the grey hordes out there.

 Krellnus wrote:

And what if I want to put in more effort than that? I only get a half day off a week where I can actually do any hobby, if I don't have any assignments, why should I be penalised?
Instead of having this honestly stupid rule, reward people who paint, instead of penalising those who don't.
Something along the lines of if you increase the amount of stuff that is painted in between visits, you get a free re-roll in game, with people who have fully painted armies getting a free re-roll a turn or something?

(Also in reply in part to jono) They get their models done, to a standard that they are comfortable, able and happy with. It's a lot better than the grey hordes out there.

As a painter myself, I can tell you from personal experience that laying down some basic basecoats so your figures aren't horriblegrey when it comes to play with them isn't hard. Sure, you won't have the details done, and you'll need to touch up the odd figure, since it's just unfixed basecoats, but it makes a hell of a difference on the table.


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weeble1000 wrote:

What I don't appreciate is that I have seen several communities in which having a bare plastic or primed or even partially painted miniature gets you treated very much the same as if you did not give a crap. Too often I see people placing a huge emphasis on painting being essential to admittance into the clubhouse, but no emphasis on helping or encouraging people to paint in a positive, constructive manner.

If you want someone to paint their models, try offering to help. "Hey, those look great. Do you have a paint scheme in mind?" "I think that would be really cool! Have you thought about this technique?" "You know, I have an airbrush. I bet we could get a base coat on your whole army in an afternoon. Do you want to come over to my place this weekend and lay down a base coat?"

I rarely see that. If other people painting their miniatures is so important to your enjoyment of the hobby, why not take some of your own time and effort to make it a reality?

Before my local GW moved away, I'd sometimes go in there, buy my WD and hang out for a short time. Especially when my wife was going to meet me in the same mall after she finished work (my work was closer) so I might have an hour's wait. While there's approximately no chance in hell I'd be inviting a stranger from a GW store into my home to airbrush models, I did enjoy offering painting and modelling advice to the people who would be in there working on their models, occasionally fixing a broken model for those without the skill/knowledge to do so (pegasus knights and flying stands!) or even doing some painting on their stuff (eyes, a bit of freehand detail, checkerboards or chapter badges, or some highlighting/shading.) Of course, I never actually played there, but the point is that I'm one of those bastards saying that getting basecoats done for a game isn't especially hard, and I actively enjoyed helping my fellow geeks when the GW was still local.




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 fullheadofhair wrote:

He threw up a picture basically saying look, my unit is painted and it took me 20 mins so you can do it too and judging others. I am saying, actually, if that is all the effort you can be bothered put in I would rather not see it.
The other point, some what tongue it check, is their is always someone more elitiest than you. I wonder if the person who threw up that photo might think twice about judging others after having someone openly judge him in front of others.

I think his stuff looks good, and I'd be happy to play him any day of the week. It looks gakloads better than unpainted models, or any of the stuff I saw in your own gallery. If someone can paint something that looks good in 20 minutes, why is that something to be critical about? I can't paint a damn thing in 20 minutes. Pots and Kettles. Glass Houses and Stones.


"example of painted ones"
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/79954-example%20of%20painted%20ones.html

This kind of situation is pretty much the only time you'll find me saying anything even vaguely negative about something that someone has taken the time to paint. Don't put other people's work down unless you want to be held up yourself.

 fullheadofhair wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:


"example of painted ones"
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/79954-example%20of%20painted%20ones.html

This kind of situation is pretty much the only time you'll find me saying anything even vaguely negative about something that someone has taken the time to paint. Don't put other people's work down unless you want to be held up yourself.

Oh silly boy - you obviously haven't read the thread. Those aren't my models - I use Dakka to host stuff I am selling that comes from a variety of sources. I never painted those (not even the finished Imperial Fists) - you can tell because they are finished. 99% of my stuff is never finished.

I am quite comfortable with that - it is how I approach MY hobby and it is how I get MY fun but on the flip side I don't expect you to consider playing against an unfinished army if you don't want to as that is how you get YOUR fun from YOUR hobby. We can just be civilized about it and communicate in a reasonable manner.

The point I am making, is many people with painted armies who judge those who don't paint for whatever reason - actually most of your armies don't look that good. They really don't. But why the judging? How offended would you be if you asked some-one for a game and they refused being all elitist about saying "I am sorry but you really haven't put enough effort into that - maybe when you have improved".

My issue with you is not that you have unfinished figures, but the fact that you seem to be going out of your way to be unnecessarily rude to people for no reason. While obviously a fully-painted game looks better aesthetically, I'm happy to play with people who simply manage not to be dicks. If it's a friend, then I'll rib them about unpainted figures and encourage them to be working on them.

Not sure who you're referring to when you say "most of your armies don't look that good" - since I don't have any armies on the web, - me? everyone in the thread? actually - who gives a gak? - if it's a reference to my figures, I don't give two flying hoots about what you think, as you've shown yourself to be pretty rude to people from the other side of a keyboard on the internet, so I'm not convinced that you're not just trolling for the lulz in this thread . So, basically, because of that, your opinion doesn't mean anything to me. Rubber and glue and all that. I will say that SilverMK2's Eldar that you started out on earlier are obviously better than the unfinished figures that you apparently never finish or put out there.

 Eilif wrote:

Not sure who painted this, or what point was trying to be made, but I'm a "painted only" kind of player and I think they look fine. They're rank-and-file minis that are going to look fine. Especially when en'masse on the game table viewed from 3 feet away.

I'm a painted-only guy, but I rarely judge another persons paint job.

fullheadofhair was doing the opposite of following Wheaton's Law in reference to some rapidly-painted Eldar shown off earlier in the thread by SilverMK2 who was attempting to be helpful (they actually look pretty good, too). I chose something from his gallery that appeared to be finished in order to make the point about glass houses. I have no issue with the skellies either - as such. Of course, he's now doubling-down on the Wheaton's Law stuff.