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as we all know, Chaos gods can't control Tyranids in the same fashion they control human and other xenos, yet there are strains of 'Chaos Carnifexes' to be found, ... among the followers of Khorne. rises new menace.. the Khornifex!

OK these are fan projects to mix two horrors into one super terribly awesomeness. but did GW recognizes the existences of Khornifexes yet? if so did they write any official backstories about them? what are their functions? bigger demons? Chaos mounts? or Juggernaughts?

I haven't heard of any Chaos Tyranids, but why not?

You could say that they had been cut off from their hive mind, or the remnants of a defeated one.. and perhaps Khorne offered them a new one within his own collective of MC's.

I for one, would love to see your conversions of one.

Codex: Daemonhunters has, as a battle scenario, a DH army fighting a Tyranid Hive Ship that got sucked into the Warp and returned corrupted and mutated beyond all sane standards.

In the same book, there's an approaching Hive Fleet infected with Nurgle's Rot, which is throwing Rot-infested bioforms out ahead of the Fleet. The DH Army must hold back the advancing Plague-Bugs while the Imperium evacuates the planet.

So, yeah, Tyranids can get mutated.

Or easier, its a Carnifex possessed by a daemon of Khorne

In the book Storm of Iron the iron warriors use a corrupted hive ship as a massive transport.

There is previous fluff about genestealers being infected by the obliteratir virus as well.

In short it seems chaos treats the tyranids as it would any ither playthings which shows just how dangerous chaos really is.

Sort of. If the Hive Mind is present they're protected by the shadow in the warp.

There is also a WD article that has examples of "Boss" models for Killteam. One of those "bosses" is a possessed tyranid warrior.

Wait... unless I'm thinking of another issue... With the possessed crisis suit and Ork GUO?

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Sort of. If the Hive Mind is present they're protected by the shadow in the warp.

Maybe. It sure didn't protect that Hive Ship in C: DH from getting sucked into the Warp.

The shadow in the warp only drowns out the warp from the materium due to sheer VOLUME.

It does jack squat to save any tyranids that are already sucked into the warp. And apparently sufficient amounts of warpsplosion or whatever such as a ship detonating its warp drive can break through (or maybe giant gaping holes in reality aren't the same as the typical warp noise that is drowned out by the shadow in an apples and oranges sort of way

Basically if a daemon or astropath or psyker tries to whisper or tap into the materium, no one can hear him because of all the other NOISE that the huge amounts of tyranids are causing. Fat lot of good that does you if you're already in the warp and/or separated from the main hive fleet.

At least, that's far as I understand it.

No, it wouldn't help a Nid ship sucked into the warp for an extended time. That's Chaos' actual turf, only Kaldor Draigo can survive there.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
No, it wouldn't help a Nid ship sucked into the warp for an extended time. That's Chaos' actual turf, only Kaldor Draigo can survive there.

And that's only 'cuz he's pledged himself to Slaanesh.

And good ol' warboss Tuska, but that was because he was so badass he made KHORNE blink

Chaos can't possess or control Tyranids as their hive mind will block any such attempts, plus the vast majority of their behaviour is instinctual, not rational. However, they will suffer the effects of supernatural diseases such as Nurgle's Rot, or the mutagenic effects of warp energy.

Nonsense, there are manifest examples of Corrupted Tyranid lifeforms, mentioned already in this thread.

While the SITW may shield the hive fleets from psychic phenomena in the Materium, once inside the warp itself, it does no good at all (Otherwise the whole kamikaze warp drive attack at Maccrage wouldn't have worked)

A possessed Tyranid life form is as likely as any other basically mindless creature being possessed, especially if the lifeform in question, (such as the hypothetical carnifex) has no synapse link to the hive mind.

When it's on it's own, it's just an instinct-driven battering ram - the sort of thing Khorne would certainly like to take advantage of.

 Dark Apostle 666 wrote:
Nonsense, there are manifest examples of Corrupted Tyranid lifeforms, mentioned already in this thread.

While the SITW may shield the hive fleets from psychic phenomena in the Materium, once inside the warp itself, it does no good at all (Otherwise the whole kamikaze warp drive attack at Maccrage wouldn't have worked)

A possessed Tyranid life form is as likely as any other basically mindless creature being possessed, especially if the lifeform in question, (such as the hypothetical carnifex) has no synapse link to the hive mind.

When it's on it's own, it's just an instinct-driven battering ram - the sort of thing Khorne would certainly like to take advantage of.

So there are loopholes the Big Four can exploit on any hive fleet to do their bidding. and that means Chaos can still posesses and/or corrupt 'nids. but the Big Four has to be selective on the host choice of this organism.

so that's mean.. Khornifex is 'official'. right?

Chaos can possess machines, even. So it's logical that they can possess any tyranid that isn't blocked out by the shadow of the warp somehow for whatever reason. It'd be a rather rare situation but not impossible.

Not sure if there's been a case of an actual khornifex yet, but it's definately possible since other tyranid forms have been corrupted.

 greg0985 wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
No, it wouldn't help a Nid ship sucked into the warp for an extended time. That's Chaos' actual turf, only Kaldor Draigo can survive there.

And that's only 'cuz he's pledged himself to Slaanesh.

There are actually several non-Chaos-aligned people that made it into the warp for somewhat extended periods, and the Inquisition managed to get quite a few eyewitness reports from that. However, most of those people were insane afterwards and had to be mercy killed, and the eye witness reports were metaphorical and differed from person to person (especially when it came to describing Tzeentch's realm). Most (but not all) of this comes from FFG's RP games for what it's worth, though.

 Lone Cat wrote:

 Dark Apostle 666 wrote:
Nonsense, there are manifest examples of Corrupted Tyranid lifeforms, mentioned already in this thread.

While the SITW may shield the hive fleets from psychic phenomena in the Materium, once inside the warp itself, it does no good at all (Otherwise the whole kamikaze warp drive attack at Maccrage wouldn't have worked)

A possessed Tyranid life form is as likely as any other basically mindless creature being possessed, especially if the lifeform in question, (such as the hypothetical carnifex) has no synapse link to the hive mind.

When it's on it's own, it's just an instinct-driven battering ram - the sort of thing Khorne would certainly like to take advantage of.

So there are loopholes the Big Four can exploit on any hive fleet to do their bidding. and that means Chaos can still posesses and/or corrupt 'nids. but the Big Four has to be selective on the host choice of this organism.

so that's mean.. Khornifex is 'official'. right?

No, Chaos couldn't posses a hive fleet because that has a lot of synapse creatures and The Shadow in the Warp is present.

Exactly, but if a hive fleet went into a warp rift, it'd be anyone's guess what would happen. After all, does the SITW actually work in the warp, functioning like a geller field, or not?

TiamatRoar wrote:
Chaos can possess machines, even. So it's logical that they can possess any tyranid that isn't blocked out by the shadow of the warp somehow for whatever reason. It'd be a rather rare situation but not impossible.

Not sure if there's been a case of an actual khornifex yet, but it's definately possible since other tyranid forms have been corrupted.

 greg0985 wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
No, it wouldn't help a Nid ship sucked into the warp for an extended time. That's Chaos' actual turf, only Kaldor Draigo can survive there.

And that's only 'cuz he's pledged himself to Slaanesh.

There are actually several non-Chaos-aligned people that made it into the warp for somewhat extended periods, and the Inquisition managed to get quite a few eyewitness reports from that. However, most of those people were insane afterwards and had to be mercy killed, and the eye witness reports were metaphorical and differed from person to person (especially when it came to describing Tzeentch's realm). Most (but not all) of this comes from FFG's RP games for what it's worth, though.

Darnath Lysander comes to mind.

Also, Tzeentch's personal abode in the warp, the undefeatable maze, was actually solved by a little girl and her dog. (of course, this led to a thread where a bunch of people argued if that little girl was a god in disguise, etc. If I recall correctly, the smile by Phil Kelly himself in response to a poster saying "Sometimes a little girl is just a little girl" kinda implies that she was just a little girl, though he did say people were free to interpret it as they wished)

(and this case was actually NOT as planned by Tzeentch, too, lol)

I suppose sometimes weird stuff happens in the warp, and that includes non-warp things surviving in it every once in a while. The place is literally the embodiment of "Anything is possible", after all, so by that logic, a human being surviving in there isn't impossible at all (though like I said, most humans that manage to survive end up having to be given the Emperor's mercy).

That "little girl" is a powerful, though nascent, psyker, exhibiting the unusual ability to create entire pocket-realms within the Warp and, further, to populate them with hundreds, if not thousands, of distinct personalities, all of whom are simply tiny splinters of her own psyche, memories and personality.

maybe she was Wednesday Addams

Nah...

Yeah I get the Dorothy and dog idea - but I like the idea of Wednesday Addams with Psychic powers scaring the Chaos powers..........

 Dark Apostle 666 wrote:
Exactly, but if a hive fleet went into a warp rift, it'd be anyone's guess what would happen. After all, does the SITW actually work in the warp, functioning like a geller field, or not?

Probably not for long. Tyranid would never willingly go into the warp. That shouldn't even be possible normally. Something totally weird would have to happen which apparently it did one time but that one fluke shouldn't be taken as standard.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

 Lone Cat wrote:

 Dark Apostle 666 wrote:
Nonsense, there are manifest examples of Corrupted Tyranid lifeforms, mentioned already in this thread.

While the SITW may shield the hive fleets from psychic phenomena in the Materium, once inside the warp itself, it does no good at all (Otherwise the whole kamikaze warp drive attack at Maccrage wouldn't have worked)

A possessed Tyranid life form is as likely as any other basically mindless creature being possessed, especially if the lifeform in question, (such as the hypothetical carnifex) has no synapse link to the hive mind.

When it's on it's own, it's just an instinct-driven battering ram - the sort of thing Khorne would certainly like to take advantage of.

So there are loopholes the Big Four can exploit on any hive fleet to do their bidding. and that means Chaos can still posesses and/or corrupt 'nids. but the Big Four has to be selective on the host choice of this organism.

so that's mean.. Khornifex is 'official'. right?

No, Chaos couldn't posses a hive fleet because that has a lot of synapse creatures and The Shadow in the Warp is present.

1. At which occasions do Shadow in the Warp activates? Can Chaos big four detect any presence should such hivemind ability is on? and once this ability is turned on. which plane of existences does the fleet is at the moment? real space? or warp space?
2. Wait! in a domain that Chaos is dominant, can Chaos posesses any synapse creature )? And what will happen? will there be any chances that parts of hive fleet becomes Chaos war instruments (against its preferred enemy, the Imperium)?
3. in DoW2 (first and second expansion), there are 'space hulk' missions where player boards a hulk named 'Carrion of Judgement' (??) ,the wreckage of a vessel the Imperial goons (Inq, and a lil warband of Blood Ravens) believed that it houses some clues leading to any possible treachery within the Chapter. yet before any clues can be discovered, the boarding party must fight genestealers (and other 'nids that's possibly affected by warp expusures), and... in rare case, Orks!

 Lone Cat wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

 Lone Cat wrote:

 Dark Apostle 666 wrote:
Nonsense, there are manifest examples of Corrupted Tyranid lifeforms, mentioned already in this thread.

While the SITW may shield the hive fleets from psychic phenomena in the Materium, once inside the warp itself, it does no good at all (Otherwise the whole kamikaze warp drive attack at Maccrage wouldn't have worked)

A possessed Tyranid life form is as likely as any other basically mindless creature being possessed, especially if the lifeform in question, (such as the hypothetical carnifex) has no synapse link to the hive mind.

When it's on it's own, it's just an instinct-driven battering ram - the sort of thing Khorne would certainly like to take advantage of.

So there are loopholes the Big Four can exploit on any hive fleet to do their bidding. and that means Chaos can still posesses and/or corrupt 'nids. but the Big Four has to be selective on the host choice of this organism.

so that's mean.. Khornifex is 'official'. right?

No, Chaos couldn't posses a hive fleet because that has a lot of synapse creatures and The Shadow in the Warp is present.

1. At which occasions do Shadow in the Warp activates? Can Chaos big four detect any presence should such hivemind ability is on? and once this ability is turned on. which plane of existences does the fleet is at the moment? real space? or warp space?
2. Wait! in a domain that Chaos is dominant, can Chaos posesses any synapse creature )? And what will happen? will there be any chances that parts of hive fleet becomes Chaos war instruments (against its preferred enemy, the Imperium)?
3. in DoW2 (first and second expansion), there are 'space hulk' missions where player boards a hulk named 'Carrion of Judgement' (??) ,the wreckage of a vessel the Imperial goons (Inq, and a lil warband of Blood Ravens) believed that it houses some clues leading to any possible treachery within the Chapter. yet before any clues can be discovered, the boarding party must fight genestealers (and other 'nids that's possibly affected by warp expusures), and... in rare case, Orks!

Basically the Shadow in the Warp is the Hive mind. It's a sentience so vast it is like a Chaos god in it's own right. Khorne can no more posses the Hive Mind than it can posses Nurgle. They are on par. In fact the Hive mind is a little more powerful because it seems to push the Chaotic forces out where it is present. However unlike the Chaos gods its much more obvious where the Hive Mind originates: Synapse Creatures, especially Hive Ships. You can in theory board a Hive Ship and effectively lobotomize it and then it is just like any other vessel. Ripe for possession and corruption. The Hive Mind can be killed and weakened in realspace.

As a general rule, the Tyranids do not enter the Warp. SitW is the background static of their individual minds in Realspace reflected in the Warp.

Chaos can possess anything. Even Untouchables are not immune to this, though it does take an *extremely* powerful Daemon to possess even an average Untouchable. (That is, if you take what Abnett writes into account),

 Psienesis wrote:
As a general rule, the Tyranids do not enter the Warp. SitW is the background static of their individual minds in Realspace reflected in the Warp.

Chaos can possess anything. Even Untouchables are not immune to this, though it does take an *extremely* powerful Daemon to possess even an average Untouchable. (That is, if you take what Abnett writes into account),

Are you talking about the Ravenor series? No untouchable was possesed in it.

Slyte was manipulating the mind of Ravenor's Untouchable, and specifically uses a telepathic "suggestion" power on him.