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So I found my 4th Edition DA codex and while flipping through it, I was wondering if I could use this for 6th Edition games. I didn't find any rules that said that I HAD to use the most current codex (6th edition DA in this case) so would be legal to do so?

You should be using the most current codex available for an army. That being said, if your opponent agrees to it, who cares? It's just a game, have fun.

Tournament-wise, it will not be allowed.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
You should be using the most current codex available for an army. That being said, if your opponent agrees to it, who cares? It's just a game, have fun.

Tournament-wise, it will not be allowed.

I agree wholeheartedly. But is there a rule that specifically states that you must use the most recent codex?

I'm not sure that there will be a specific rule.... Why do you need one? It makes me suspicious that you require a rule. It makes me think that, when someone in a friendly game protests when you try to use an OOP codex, you want to pull out a rule and say, "Hah! I CAN use an outdated, outmoded, over-priced book!" Which then doesn't really make it a "friendly" game, anymore.

Also, why would you want to use an outdated, outmoded, over-priced book?

Yeah, the new DA codex is better in literally every way than the last one...

In tournaments, yes there is a rule. In friendly play, you can do whatever you and your opponent agree to.

Elric Greywolf wrote:I'm not sure that there will be a specific rule.... Why do you need one? It makes me suspicious that you require a rule. It makes me think that, when someone in a friendly game protests when you try to use an OOP codex, you want to pull out a rule and say, "Hah! I CAN use an outdated, outmoded, over-priced book!" Which then doesn't really make it a "friendly" game, anymore.

Also, why would you want to use an outdated, outmoded, over-priced book?

Are there any OOP codexes that better then the current ones? lol, that I would like to see. But it's due to one of my friends who, while being a fun guy, often wants to follow what the BRB says to the letter. So in case he tries to say otherwise I can be prepared to counter him. The reason why I want to use the outdated book is just for s**ts and giggles if we have any other outdated codexes that we can use for a 6th edition game.

jifel wrote:Yeah, the new DA codex is better in literally every way than the last one...

Mind Worm that one special HQ and pray to the Dice Gods that they roll higher then a ten.

Thanks for replying.

I think you'd be perfectly within your rights (especially if you are new to the army) if you play Sisters of Battle to ask a TO permission to use the OOP Codex. I think it's unreasonable to expect players coming into the hobby now to be able to track down the White Dwarf codex issues.

What about the BT codex? It's technically a separate codex from the rumored SM Codex coming out soon, so would that still be alright to use?

If the rumours are correct, then the most current rules for BT will be in the new SM Codex, so the old BT Codex will then be obsolete.

But it's not the BT Codex, it's the SM Codex. Unless they specifically state that we have to use the new SM Codex for BT, the BT Codex is still usable. That's whats getting me confused for this part.

At the end of the day, you can use whatever rules you want; as long as your opponent agrees.

However, most opponents will insist that you use the most up to date rules.

Yeah sure. Ill go go back to (2nd ed???) Nids codex where my Hive tyrant has T9 or something silly. (only vague remembrance here..)

I can't remember any 'rules' saying such but you are expected to use the latest edition of your codex. If your opponent agrees you can use a older edition, but if they do not agree and then you pull a 'well rules don't say I have to' starts to look like very bad form.

If and when BT rules are published in the SM codex, then the BT codex becomes obsolete. Your latest codex will then be C:SM

 Nem wrote:
I can't remember any 'rules' saying such but you are expected to use the latest edition of your codex. If your opponent agrees you can use a older edition, but if they do not agree and then you pull a 'well rules don't say I have to' starts to look like very bad form.

lol, you make it sound like I'm gonna beat someone down because I want to use an older codex but they won't let me. I'm only planning on doing using a old codex when the mood hits me, not every game I'm gonna play.

 Nem wrote:
If and when BT rules are published in the SM codex, then the BT codex becomes obsolete. Your latest codex will then be C:SM

So we are completely disregarding that BT have their own codex cause they appear in a more (soon to be) recent codex that isn't about them? From my view, it sounds a little ridiculous. It might sound good to you, but I can't seem to comprehend that logic.

But like everyone said, I'll just ask my opponent before hand if it would be cool to use an older codex. And again, I'm not planning on play every game with it, just for special occasions. Maybe like a scenario where I'll use the older DA codex to say that it's a less supplied/maintained DA fortress and to represent that by using the old codex.

 gnoise wrote:

 Nem wrote:
I can't remember any 'rules' saying such but you are expected to use the latest edition of your codex. If your opponent agrees you can use a older edition, but if they do not agree and then you pull a 'well rules don't say I have to' starts to look like very bad form.

lol, you make it sound like I'm gonna beat someone down because I want to use an older codex but they won't let me. I'm only planning on doing using a old codex when the mood hits me, not every game I'm gonna play.

 Nem wrote:
If and when BT rules are published in the SM codex, then the BT codex becomes obsolete. Your latest codex will then be C:SM

So we are completely disregarding that BT have their own codex cause they appear in a more (soon to be) recent codex that isn't about them? From my view, it sounds a little ridiculous. It might sound good to you, but I can't seem to comprehend that logic.

But like everyone said, I'll just ask my opponent before hand if it would be cool to use an older codex. And again, I'm not planning on play every game with it, just for special occasions. Maybe like a scenario where I'll use the older DA codex to say that it's a less supplied/maintained DA fortress and to represent that by using the old codex.

The point I am making is soon were expecting BT to not have there own codex, it is almalgamated into the C:SM and may later be expanded via supliment. C:SM will have an area for BT, and BT units. Its not my logic its just how it is.

Yeah the rules won't state that you have to use the most up to date codex anymore than the rulebook states you can't use rules from 5th Edition Rulebook. The rules are published in a setof documents sometimes those documents are updated in which case the new version is the only one the rules consider to exist sometimes they are removed.

So what I'm staying is from a rules perspective you are no more entitled to use the older DA codex (or indeed the BT codex if what thr rumours say are true) than I am to use Squat rules from 1st edition. If you want to use an older codex it is a house rule you agree with your opponent.

Look at it this way... is it still being Sold by GW? yes? then play it, No?`then nope. But as previously stated if it's just a friendly game and your opoment agrees to it, go for it.

Then again.. that leaves the sisters of battle out of the picture... silly white dwarf..

 gnoise wrote:
Are there any OOP codexes that better then the current ones?

Any of the Tyranid codexes. 3rd edition 70 point Carnifexes... 4th edition Nidzilla extreme.

Slightly off-topic, one of my fellow Eldar players wants to do a new vs old codex battle. He will write up an army list using the third edition codex, and I will match as closely as possible using the 6th edition codex.

2nd Ed Chaos, Abbadon with a 2+ armour on 2d6 added together... Plus all the broken Daemon Princes...

I guess this is a lot like software updates and patching. There is, officially and unofficially, nothing stopping you from using older rulesets (not including tournaments, which are themselves essentially a pre-defined list of house rules).

However, GW "no longer supports" these rules. That means you won't find their FAQ on the website, for example, so you'd be best off trying to track down someone that's kept a copy. If you can't? Then when something breaks, it's down to you to fix it.

As an opponent, I would be mindful of exactly what you'd be bringing in your army. If it looks all fair and fluffy then fine, I'll give it a go, and we'll just have to "golden rule" anything unusual that comes up. But if it looks like you're deliberately trying to use a broken combo then I'll call shenanigans, and I would expect most other people to be the same.

Long story short - it's up to you, but it's on YOUR head if it causes problems.

Its pretty easy to tell if a codex is 'cuurent' or not simply by looking on GW's website. If the codex is still there for sale, its current. If not, then its an old codex. When the new Codex Space Marines drops, I would imagine Codex Black Templars will be pulled from the online store.

 gnoise wrote:

Elric Greywolf wrote:I'm not sure that there will be a specific rule.... Why do you need one? It makes me suspicious that you require a rule. It makes me think that, when someone in a friendly game protests when you try to use an OOP codex, you want to pull out a rule and say, "Hah! I CAN use an outdated, outmoded, over-priced book!" Which then doesn't really make it a "friendly" game, anymore.

Also, why would you want to use an outdated, outmoded, over-priced book?

Are there any OOP codexes that better then the current ones? lol, that I would like to see. But it's due to one of my friends who, while being a fun guy, often wants to follow what the BRB says to the letter. So in case he tries to say otherwise I can be prepared to counter him. The reason why I want to use the outdated book is just for s**ts and giggles if we have any other outdated codexes that we can use for a 6th edition game.

jifel wrote:Yeah, the new DA codex is better in literally every way than the last one...

Mind Worm that one special HQ and pray to the Dice Gods that they roll higher then a ten.

Thanks for replying.

C:WH is better in every way than the double-White-Dwarf thing that SOB are currently running as.

have to say i'd like to bring old-crons against the new eldar: T8? wound on 6's, regardless. lance? not against the monolith! monolith deepstrikes? out of the way mortals, my pyramid is landing on you!

 Ghaz wrote:
Its pretty easy to tell if a codex is 'cuurent' or not simply by looking on GW's website. If the codex is still there for sale, its current. If not, then its an old codex. When the new Codex Space Marines drops, I would imagine Codex Black Templars will be pulled from the online store.

Unless its Sisters of Battle

I want to use my RT Freebooterz codex!

Is that the Ork one with the roll to see how many barrels your gun has and if each is a las pistol, boltgun or lascannon - or just a furry dice

Yep! Up to 5 barrels on your Kombi-Gun, each a random weapon.
And the Fluff was awesome! Possessed Warpheads and Ork-Genestealer Hybrids...

 Happyjew wrote:
Slightly off-topic, one of my fellow Eldar players wants to do a new vs old codex battle. He will write up an army list using the third edition codex, and I will match as closely as possible using the 6th edition codex.

This could be awesome. You should post a full write up. Will you use 3rd edition rules to resolve effects on 3rd edition things (like vehicle damage) and 6th edition rules to resolve effects on 6th edition things?

 gnoise wrote:

Elric Greywolf wrote:I'm not sure that there will be a specific rule.... Why do you need one? It makes me suspicious that you require a rule. It makes me think that, when someone in a friendly game protests when you try to use an OOP codex, you want to pull out a rule and say, "Hah! I CAN use an outdated, outmoded, over-priced book!" Which then doesn't really make it a "friendly" game, anymore.

Also, why would you want to use an outdated, outmoded, over-priced book?

Are there any OOP codexes that better then the current ones? lol, that I would like to see. But it's due to one of my friends who, while being a fun guy, often wants to follow what the BRB says to the letter. So in case he tries to say otherwise I can be prepared to counter him. The reason why I want to use the outdated book is just for s**ts and giggles if we have any other outdated codexes that we can use for a 6th edition game.

jifel wrote:Yeah, the new DA codex is better in literally every way than the last one...

Mind Worm that one special HQ and pray to the Dice Gods that they roll higher then a ten.

Thanks for replying.

3rd ed orks are better than 4th ed orks...