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 Kroothawk wrote:
ewar over at Warseer wrote:I’ve seen a lot of people talk about the growth in the table top wargame market – the anecdotal evidence that we can all see just by opening up the home page of Wayland or Dark Sphere and the huge range of new TT games.

So I thought it would be interesting to see if there was more publically available information on other war games companies. In a 10 minute search I dug out the last 3 years financial statements of Spartan Games (publisher and manufacturer of what I would consider to be some pretty big games: Dystopian Wars, Firestorm Armada etc), Corvus Belli (publisher of Infinity) and Battlefront Miniatures (publisher of Flames of War).

Unfortunately Privateer Press is based in that 3rd world back water () where private companies don’t have to publish financial information, so I don’t have anything on them.

So if you’re interested this is the latest data I could find:


Corvus Belli



Shows some pretty impressive headline growth numbers since 2010 (the 2012 data isn’t publically available yet, which is a shame as I’d be interested to see it). Overall though you can see immediately the difference in scale between the companies – Corvus Belli revenue is circa 0.5% of GW, also remember these are given in USD not GBP, so need to divide by 1.5 to compare.


Rebel Publishing Ltd (trading as Spartan Games)

As for Spartan, they are a bit trickier as they are able to take the small company exemption in the UK from reporting a P&L. However there is a balance sheet which we can use to make a very crude estimate of their turnover. Their debtors balances in 2011-2013 was: £51k, £63k and £54k. If we assume a 45 day cash cycle and average receivable of £55k this translates to approximately £450k turnover.

When you think that GW made £60k just from the sale of the limited edition cover of the recent Lizardmen book, I think that puts things into perspective a little. I’m actually quite surprised, I would have guessed Spartan to be turning over £1m+. I’m less familiar with Infinity but it seems to be very popular at the moment and again that was smaller than I thought.


Battlefront Miniatures



This one is a bit odd – the only information I could find was for their company registered in Malaysia – they also have a number of companies in the UK and NZ but with limited financial data available. The UK subsidiary had receivables of just £40k and zero net assets when I pulled out their March 2012 financial statements. Still, by looking at the Malaysian data is shows they are at least turning over roughly $2m, even if it did decline 17% in 2012.


I’m not personally going to draw too many conclusions from the above but I think this demonstrates just how difficult it must be for miniature wargame companies to turn the success of their games into consistent revenue. I play Firestorm Armada – brilliant game, but now that I and 4 friends have a large fleet each we probably won’t buy anything more for it. They can’t keep up the same relentless release cycle that GW manages which maintains its YOY turnover.

I think the same will apply for the others. People are attacking GW for not growing in the thread about their most recent financials, but honestly from this information it doesn’t seem like the war game market is exactly exploding. Perhaps this indicates that GWs comparative performance isn’t as bad as some are saying? Maybe, maybe not as there still isn’t enough info. However I think it at least sheds a little more light on how everyone else is doing.

TL;DR Spartan is flat, Infinity has grown significantly, Flames of War has shrunk slightly. All of them are only a tiny fraction of GW showing they really are the whale beached in the middle of the pond. Combined estimated turnover of the other 3 companies is roughly 2% of GW – a much smaller fraction than I was expecting in all honesty.



CB and INFINITY may be relatively small, but they are growing!

I too wish we had 2012's numbers, to see if that growth trend continued, and as aggressively...

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Really, really interesting stuff. I'm going to sit on it and let it stew. Thanks for reposting.

   
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CB's growth is very impressive.
   
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Other post in the Gencon thread showed they grew 75% in 2012. Very impressive!

Personally I don't care that much about sales figures except that it means the company is going to stick around, and more people will get to play the best game with the best miniatures on the market !

They seem keen to keep on releasing new ideas (even if not all of them are going to stick), engage with the fan base with every opportunity etc. so hopefully they will continue to go from strength to strength.. as long as they don't go too big, become a public company and then fall into a rut where they biggest thing we will have to look forward to in 2019 is version 4 of 'Human Sphere' and super-tags which are twice as big as existing tags, but 8 times the price

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Gathering the Informations.

I'm excited for them growing at such a huge pace, but I have to worry given that it is becoming more and more common for releases to arrive late here to the US distributors/stockists.
   
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I'll take getting a new release a month late (we're in the same boat in Australia) if we keep getting stuff of the quality they've been producing lately.

I only just got to pick up my Barid, and it was definitely worth waiting a month for.

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One month isn't too bad to wait. I tend to order in 3-4 month intervals, so It's fine by me. Don't need to have the latest and greatest right away.

Now, I read that they have ~25-30 employees these days, which is a large increase from the 13 listed for 2011.

They are making a strong push in the US too, at GenCon, at an upcoming NOVA Open tournament, and at the Feast of Blades tournament.

All very interesting. Plus they actually like their customers.

 
   
 
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