Centurion Counts-As

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**max_power**

Hello Dakka,

I really hate the new centurion models, but I love the idea of space marine broadsides. Would you accept http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/CASTELLAX_BATTLE_AUTOMATA.html as a legitimate counts-as model? Thanks for your opinions.

- Max

**Warboss Imbad Ironskull**

I don't think it's a matter of "would you accept this" as that's more of a personal basis. When it comes to tournaments they each have their own set of rules and if it's a GW tournament then it may be a little more strict.

Personally in a home grown or gaming club tournament I'd say yes, in anything official probably not.

**brettz123**

Probably going to be a little too big to be honest.

**BewareOfTom**

looks fine to me, I mean cents are on those bases aswell

might have to get some of those myself now if im too lazy to convert khador jacks XD

**SlaveToDorkness**

Those look to be Dread-size, not idiotic Space Marine crammed into another Space Marine-sized.

**jifel**

Compare it to the Terminator in the FW pics, it looks too big I think.

**RiTides**

BewareOfTom wrote:
looks fine to me, I mean cents are on those bases aswell

might have to get some of those myself now if im too lazy to convert khador jacks XD

You'll be seeing a lot of counts-as / conversions to avoid the terrible official models for these. I think these would be fine, you just need to ask the TO if it is questionable (like any model). I think folks would prefer to play against these

**schadenfreude**

The increase in size is fine for cc units. People may bitch about the extra height if it gives an advantage for los/cover on a grav gun unit, which can easily be countered by saying lower los to what your opponent thinks a centurian should be. Most people won't bitch because the fw models are better looking and more expensive.

**Lorek**

Moved to proper forum.

**Mr Nobody**

If you did something to make them look more space marine, I'd be fine. Personally, I think the centurion models could be okay with some conversion work.

**Liquid Squid**

Thallaxi are probably a better size.

**AegisGrimm**

I don't think they would need to be made to look more Space Marine. Back in the first incarnation of Imperial Robots, Space Marines actually felt more comfortable fighting alongside robots than "normal" human troops. Even going as far as giving special battle-honors to Maniples that held their own during difficult combat actions alongside a Chapter.

**wuestenfux**

Well, I think the new Centurion model is better suited. Personal preference here.

**sing your life**

No, both because the model is too big and also I believe that anyone who uses counts as for a better model is doomed to get a miniature inferior to the original.

**labmouse42**

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:
I don't think it's a matter of "would you accept this" as that's more of a personal basis. When it comes to tournaments they each have their own set of rules and if it's a GW tournament then it may be a little more strict..

GW runs tournaments? The last one I knew they sponsored was 'Ard Boys and that's now history.
As far as I know, GW has turned their back on the player base, so we have no obligation to use their models if better alts exist.

Don't get me wrong. When GW produces kits I like, I buy their models. I just don't feel obliged to use them and neither should you.

**sing your life**

And why do you want centurions in your army max? There's nothing yet saying they're not the new LS vengeance.

**Grey Templar**

They might be a little taller than Centurions, but I think they would work ok.

The increased LoS is countered by it being more difficult to get cover.

**Exergy**

max_power wrote:
Hello Dakka,

I really hate the new centurion models, but I love the idea of space marine broadsides. Would you accept http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/CASTELLAX_BATTLE_AUTOMATA.html as a legitimate counts-as model? Thanks for your opinions.

- Max

I think you probably need to model the weapons correctly(or at least better)

That could be a grav cannon i guess,

**jeffersonian000**

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the reasoning for Space Marines to get Gravity weapons.

Codex: Mechsnicus? Yes.
Codex: Space Marines? ... makes no sense at all.

And that doesn't even mention the whole "Ultramarine Crisis Suit" theme.

SJ

**SoloFalcon1138**

jeffersonian000 wrote:
I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the reasoning for Space Marines to get Gravity weapons.

Codex: Mechsnicus? Yes.
Codex: Space Marines? ... makes no sense at all
SJ

Sure it does. Grav weapons were in 2nd edition.

That model is way to big for a stand-in for the centurions, not to mention a wee bit expensive to assemble a unit. The centurions are supposed to fit between terminators.and dreadnoughts, and the bqttle robots are.dreadnought sized.