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Oh yeah, this'll really put GW out of business.
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This is why some 3D printers utilize an alternate material for structural support. It takes longer and is more expensive, but it stops most outright failures.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: It's still promising technology. Just because it's not there yet doesn't mean we have to label it a failure just yet.
It's not even that. I sometimes get paper jams, or misalign text or have too many carriage returns in a document I print, but just because these things happen, it doesn't mean that I'm writing off conventional paper and ink printers!
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I'm not saying that its not a promising technology. Maybe one day, GW will sell a design pack for a home 3D printer. I will just be happy to hear fewer people whining about quality control.
SoloFalcon1138 wrote: I'm not saying that its not a promising technology. Maybe one day, GW will sell a design pack for a home 3D printer. I will just be happy to hear fewer people whining about quality control.
Take a look at the errors in rendered 3D graphics in film -
Early days yet.
I have seen some very well designed objects, but....
The Auld Grump
Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
*insert obligatory"still better than finecast" joke here*
What, you all know its only a matter of time till that joke is made in a thread like this
Kinda cool to see the "jams" these printers suffer. Are these software or hardware glitches we're looking at for the printers?
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MrMoustaffa wrote: *insert obligatory"still better than finecast" joke here*
What, you all know its only a matter of time till that joke is made in a thread like this
Kinda cool to see the "jams" these printers suffer. Are these software or hardware glitches we're looking at for the printers?
A few of them look like a misaligned nozzle or a bit of dried plastic caught on the end causing it to shoot off target, which would turn a nice directed beam of plastic into fairyfloss. The one of the misaligned head I would guess would be because someone was moving the statue as it was printing.
At any rate, all of these seem to be Extruded Plastic printers - that is printers that shoot out plastic filament - which are good and cheap options for printing, but they're not the ones that gamers will be using. There are other far more accurate forms of 3D printing just around the corner, and that'll be the turning point for home 3d printing models. It'll still be a fair few years yet before it's big, and is cost effective/high quality enough to really worry model manufactures (especially when combined with high quality 3d scanners that would make piracy a much larger problem).
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MrMoustaffa wrote: *insert obligatory"still better than finecast" joke here*
Except that would be truth, not a joke.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
IMO 3D printers are going to go the way of all other printers. High cost or low quality. I don't see them being the death of casting any more than the conventional printer is the death of books.
Anyway, some of those failures are rather attractive as abstract items you could work with to make something else. And if your a chaos player then you have your random mutations sorted
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And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
Most of the comments on these pictures are where they were left unattended.
There are lots of comments on the 3D-printing sites that you're supposed to sit and watch over your prints, even though they might take many hours to run.
SoloFalcon1138 wrote: I'm not saying that its not a promising technology. Maybe one day, GW will sell a design pack for a home 3D printer.
Or more likely, try to ignore it apart from firing off C&D's in all directions.
"The 75mm gun is firing. The 37mm gun is firing, but is traversed round the wrong way. The Browning is jammed. I am saying "Driver, advance." and the driver, who can't hear me, is reversing. And as I look over the top of the turret and see twelve enemy tanks fifty yards away, someone hands me a cheese sandwich."
MrMoustaffa wrote: *insert obligatory"still better than finecast" joke here*
Except that would be truth, not a joke.
Are you implying jokes can't have a bit of truth to them?
'I've played Guard for years, and the best piece of advice is to always utilize the Guard's best special rule: "we roll more dice than you" ' - stormleader
"Sector Imperialis: 25mm and 40mm Round Bases (40+20) 26€ (Including 32 skulls for basing) " GW design philosophy in a nutshell
Steve steveson wrote: IMO 3D printers are going to go the way of all other printers. High cost or low quality. I don't see them being the death of casting any more than the conventional printer is the death of books.
Anyway, some of those failures are rather attractive as abstract items you could work with to make something else. And if your a chaos player then you have your random mutations sorted
I have no doubt the corporations manufacturing the printers will try and shape the market in that way, the key difference is that your paper printer can't make copies of itself. I think it's more likely they'll try and artificially manipulate the scarcity and thus cost of the print medium.
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sing your life wrote: Silence Falcon, you've never had a single finecast model, therefore you have no [deserving] opinion on the medium.
It's so much easier to "win" arguments when you can just make up stuff and pretend that it's true.
(Hint: I'm talking about your utterly stupid "you've never had a finecast model" claim, not my opinion that finecast sucks.)
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
sing your life wrote: Silence Falcon, you've never had a single finecast model, therefore you have no [deserving] opinion on the medium.
It's so much easier to "win" arguments when you can just make up stuff and pretend that it's true.
(Hint: I'm talking about your utterly stupid "you've never had a finecast model" claim, not my opinion that finecast sucks.)
Here you go - use it wisely my son....
And I will join you by saying that sometimes the fail is why people don't buy Finecast - I saw some really horrible examples of the problems Finecast has - so why would I buy the crap?
If I can go into a store, look and see that of the half a dozen Chaos terminators hanging on the peg four of them have obvious problems, then I am not exactly going to be bubbling with enthusiasm for the material, now am I?....
The Auld Grump
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Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
sing your life wrote: Silence Falcon, you've never had a single finecast model, therefore you have no [deserving] opinion on the medium.
It's so much easier to "win" arguments when you can just make up stuff and pretend that it's true.
(Hint: I'm talking about your utterly stupid "you've never had a finecast model" claim, not my opinion that finecast sucks.)
Here you go - use it wisely my son....
And I will join you by saying that sometimes the fail is why people don't buy Finecast - I saw some really horrible examples of the problems Finecast has - so why would I buy the crap?
If I can go into a store, look and see that of the half a dozen Chaos terminators hanging on the peg four of them have obvious problems, then I am not exactly going to be bubbling with enthusiasm for the material, now am I?....
The Auld Grump
Don't Chaos Terminators come in a box that makes 5 plastic models?
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sing your life wrote: Silence Falcon, you've never had a single finecast model, therefore you have no [deserving] opinion on the medium.
It's so much easier to "win" arguments when you can just make up stuff and pretend that it's true.
(Hint: I'm talking about your utterly stupid "you've never had a finecast model" claim, not my opinion that finecast sucks.)
*sigh*
Time to draw my meme...
I would have to say the same about an LGS that has 6 finecast Chaos Terminators...
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In a few years people might be using 3rd printers for bits and simple components, but I highly doubt they will threaten miniature manufacturers. They will always be "a nice thing to have", but most people wouldn't want it taking up the space in their home or be bothered to shell out some cash.
gossipmeng wrote: In a few years people might be using 3rd printers for bits and simple components, but I highly doubt they will threaten miniature manufacturers. They will always be "a nice thing to have", but most people wouldn't want it taking up the space in their home or be bothered to shell out some cash.
See, the thing is, people said the same thing about computers. Afterall, why would you want some big, bulky, noisy, ugly beige box sitting in your living room? And those computer games look horrible, all blocky like that. Now, people carry computers many times more powerful than the ones they claimed would never take off in their pockets. They said the same about the internet. About games consoles. About cars.
Hell, back in the mists of time, one caveman probably grunted quite an eloquent argument at his fellows about how that silly fire stuff would never get anywhere when they had sunlight and fur blankets to keep warm.
There is nothing, fundamentally, that would prevent us from constructing a super-high fidelity 3D printer that's also fairly cheap and easy to use, the ideas and concepts are all there already, now it's just a matter of waiting out the usual Dances with Patents nonsense and for economies of scale to kick in.
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
sing your life wrote: Silence Falcon, you've never had a single finecast model, therefore you have no [deserving] opinion on the medium.
It's so much easier to "win" arguments when you can just make up stuff and pretend that it's true.
(Hint: I'm talking about your utterly stupid "you've never had a finecast model" claim, not my opinion that finecast sucks.)
*sigh*
Time to draw my meme...
I would have to say the same about an LGS that has 6 finecast Chaos Terminators...
Specifically Failcast Terminator Lords - you know, the expensive ones? Including, and most particularly, Mister Abbadon, Ruler of The Four Fails.
And you know somethin' bunny? If you Google then you too can see plenty of pictures of the Fail Lords.
Missing big chunks of the stupid banner (that would not bother me, I do not like the stupid banners).
Missing claws (Mr. A).
Big gawping gaps in cloaks and armor. (All of them Including Mr. A.)
Missing.... whatever the heck that skull on a stick poking out of Mr. A's head is supposed to be.
And, my favorite, and most recurring, weapons that are only half there. (Including, but not limited to swords, pistols, but more frequently the ammo magazines of the bolters.
And the biggest offenders were all the most expensive model - Mr. A himself.
So... yeah, I am pretty secure in calling it Failcast, chummer. Spend more for worse, the key to the GW HHHobby....
The Auld Grump
Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
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