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At work I was thinking about the Astartes Legions during the Great Crusade and the roles they were supposed to fulfill. Now I am wondering about a couple of them. Especially the Dark Angels. Without their fluff-twist of losing half their personal to Chaos what were they supposed to do in the first place ?

I. Dark Angels = ?
II. ? = ?
III. Emperor´s Children = ?
IV. Iron Warriors = ?
V. White Scars = hit & run/disruption
VI. Space Wolves = executioners
VII. Imperial Fists = siege
VIII. Night Lords = guerilla warfare/terror
IX. Blood Angels = close combat
X. Iron Hands = siege
XI. ? = ?
XII. World Eaters = close combat
XIII. Ultramarines = tactics/strategy
XIV. Death Guard = offensiv grimdark NBC defence
XV. Thousand Sons = scholars/warriors
XVI. Sons of Horus = ?
XVII. Word Bearers = scholars/"monks"
XVIII. Salamanders = craft
XIX Ravenguard = guerilla
XX Alpha Legion = Infiltration & Covert Operations
   
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1. Dark Angels: General battle field role, hammer or anvil
2. ?
3. Emperors children: perfection, picking apart the enemy gracefully+support other legions due to small size
4. Iron warriors: siege warfare
5. White scars: as you said
6. Space wolves: as you said
7. Imperial fists: defensive fortifications and holding positions-anvil
8. Night lords: as you said
9. Blood Angels: close combat
10. Iron hands: anvil, armoured spearhead warfare
11. Ultramarines: absorb broken legions, mass warfare+ as said
12. Death Guard: anvil+support
13. thousand son: support and psychic warfare. All units work together
14. Word bearers: Crusaders, seek to enlighten the galaxy and brainwash colonized planets
15. Salamanders: as said
16. Raven Guard: as said
17. Alpha legion: as said

   
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Hm... I think the Sons of Horus where especially known for daring assaults and otherwise succeding under difficult conditions. Yeah they were the poster boys the Ultramarines became after the heresy .

The Dark Angels drew their traditions from the knightly orders of Caliban, and Lion El'Johnson is known to be one of the best military strategists among the primarchs, so they are probably not a one-trick-pony, so much is true.

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Death Guard focused on fighting in hostile enviroments

Tsons focused on using sorcery

Iron Hands never focused on seige

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Raven Guard didn't develop their guerilla style of warfare until long after the Heresy.

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 Omegus wrote:
Raven Guard didn't develop their guerilla style of warfare until long after the Heresy.


yeah werent they just swift, death from above before they got chewed up at Istvaan


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The sons of horus specialized in tactics and their cunning warmaster. Horus was the greatest of the primarchs and he used his legion tactically to it's full extent.


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The alpha Legion was the youngest legion and the last found primarch. When they were infiltrating they were always seeking to prove themselves with the most complicated assaults and tactics


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The night lords forcused on morale. They sought to inflict terror but also to demoralize the enemy. They would make a show of taking out the enemies most powerful warriors, ships and fortresses publicly in the most direct way possible to make the enemy lose hope and lay down their arms in despair.

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 Omegus wrote:
Raven Guard didn't develop their guerilla style of warfare until long after the Heresy.


Having just read “Deliverance Lost “, I disagree. It is plainly stated that hit and run tactics are a defining trait of the ravenguard, and they rely on stealth, too. They pride themselves on coping with being at af disadvantage. And the blow to their numbers that forced them even further into that direction was Istvaan.

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Croatia

KhornedBeef wrote:
 Omegus wrote:
Raven Guard didn't develop their guerilla style of warfare until long after the Heresy.


Having just read “Deliverance Lost “, I disagree. It is plainly stated that hit and run tactics are a defining trait of the ravenguard, and they rely on stealth, too. They pride themselves on coping with being at af disadvantage. And the blow to their numbers that forced them even further into that direction was Istvaan.

Agree, and read young Corax vs mining slavemasters - He used guerilla tac too, if I'm not mistaken !?....Hit and run baby was his thing....

On Istvaan he used it too, which pissed SA and IH (because they went head on to their deaths, lol)....

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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."

Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan


 
   
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Hmm I think of the Imperial Fist more as Defense/Fortifications instead of Siege. But they are indeed specialized in Siege Warfare.

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BaconUprising wrote:
1. Dark Angels: General battle field role, hammer or anvil
2. ?
3. Emperors children: perfection, picking apart the enemy gracefully+support other legions due to small size
4. Iron warriors: siege warfare
5. White scars: as you said
6. Space wolves: as you said
7. Imperial fists: defensive fortifications and holding positions-anvil
8. Night lords: as you said
9. Blood Angels: close combat
10. Iron hands: anvil, armoured spearhead warfare
11. Ultramarines: absorb broken legions, mass warfare+ as said
12. Death Guard: anvil+support
13. thousand son: support and psychic warfare. All units work together
14. Word bearers: Crusaders, seek to enlighten the galaxy and brainwash colonized planets
15. Salamanders: as said
16. Raven Guard: as said
17. Alpha legion: as said



This is pretty much what i agree with and the Sons of Horus/Luna Wolves were stated by other legions as being the most vicious close combat fighters besides the World Eaters. And Famous Drop Pod barrage into the heaviest of fighting as well

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Yeah I forgot about sons of Horus drop pod assault
   
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KhornedBeef wrote:
 Omegus wrote:
Raven Guard didn't develop their guerilla style of warfare until long after the Heresy.


Having just read “Deliverance Lost “, I disagree. It is plainly stated that hit and run tactics are a defining trait of the ravenguard, and they rely on stealth, too. They pride themselves on coping with being at af disadvantage. And the blow to their numbers that forced them even further into that direction was Istvaan.

Maybe. That book is also stupid, because apparently a non-scholarly Primarch and a couple of humans could out-do the Emperor in genetic manipulation in a matter of months... and the Alpha Legion are over the top ridiculous in it, as well.

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Just remember, while they might have prefered methods of doing things, they still were required to be able to do everything. They were simply known for certain things over others. No one is going to call Legion A halfway across the galaxy to do a particular specialized task when Legion B happened to be in the next system over.

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If you dont short hand your list, Im not reading it.
Example: Assault Intercessors- x5 -Thunder hammer and plasma pistol on sgt.
or Assault Terminators 3xTH/SS, 2xLCs
For the love of God, GW, get rid of reroll mechanics. ALL OF THEM! 
   
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Uk

Col. Dash wrote:
Just remember, while they might have prefered methods of doing things, they still were required to be able to do everything. They were simply known for certain things over others. No one is going to call Legion A halfway across the galaxy to do a particular specialized task when Legion B happened to be in the next system over.

Untrue, the emperors children would never have been able to fully destroy another legion they were far too small.
   
 
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