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For example is it possible to have a 9 tactical marines + librarian and kit it out as a full 10 model unit, giving it both a weapon + heavy weapon?

The rules only says "if the unit count is 10 models you can take weapon + heavy weapon", which I interpret it as if you join a character the unit counts as a 10 model unit.
If anyone knows where in the rules (if it even exists) this is clarified, it would be awesome.

nope. A librarian is a separate unit. The tactical squad has to number ten models to get two extra weapons.

Nice try, though...

When you are creating your army list the Librarian (or other character) is not a part of the unit.

Only upon deployment do they join the unit.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
nope. A librarian is a separate unit. The tactical squad has to number ten models to get two extra weapons.

Nice try, though...

Wow, that is pretty bad, does not make any sense. Luckily my army is not affected by this

it makes perfect sense. The librarian has no bearing on your squad until the game starts. When you pick your list, that's when you follow the clear instructions on how to construct a tactical squad. Unless you buy librarians in your tac squads, you need ten marines.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
it makes perfect sense. The librarian has no bearing on your squad until the game starts. When you pick your list, that's when you follow the clear instructions on how to construct a tactical squad. Unless you buy librarians in your tac squads, you need ten marines.

I respectably disagree with you.

how can you disagree with a rule that pretty clear? is the librarian in the tactical squad.list of options?

flodihn wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
it makes perfect sense. The librarian has no bearing on your squad until the game starts. When you pick your list, that's when you follow the clear instructions on how to construct a tactical squad. Unless you buy librarians in your tac squads, you need ten marines.

I respectably disagree with you.

You can disagree as respectfully as you please, you're dead wrong, no two ways about it. The Librarian is not part of a tactical squad untill Deployment or later. And once the game begins the list is set in stone so you can't go back change it.

This post, and others like it, are the reasons why most people I know shun this forum. It would be bad enough if this guy was trying to bend the rules to his advantage but he's actually rewriting them to suit his purpose. I hope you get called on this gak in real life by people who know the actual rules to 40k.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/546846.page#5962576

This would be why he is asking. He had an illegal unit list posted.


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 Windir83 wrote:
This post, and others like it, are the reasons why most people I know shun this forum. It would be bad enough if this guy was trying to bend the rules to his advantage but he's actually rewriting them to suit his purpose. I hope you get called on this gak in real life by people who know the actual rules to 40k.

I just think he's trying to be too creative, just in the wrong way.

flodihn wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
it makes perfect sense. The librarian has no bearing on your squad until the game starts. When you pick your list, that's when you follow the clear instructions on how to construct a tactical squad. Unless you buy librarians in your tac squads, you need ten marines.

I respectably disagree with you.

How do you even dissagree. A Librarian is seperate from the squad, he is an Independant Character. He isn't a option for the squad to buy.

You seem rather stubborn in your comments, but believe me, these are the rules as they are now.

His argument in another thread is that no where does it state that the tenth model has to be a tactical marine... sigh...

Well, he's right it doesn't state that anywhere.

But it just so happens that the only way to get to 10 models during listbuilding is by adding tactical marines...

flodihn wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
it makes perfect sense. The librarian has no bearing on your squad until the game starts. When you pick your list, that's when you follow the clear instructions on how to construct a tactical squad. Unless you buy librarians in your tac squads, you need ten marines.

I respectably disagree with you.

When do you purchase the weapons related to the 10th model? During list building.
Is the Librarian a member of the unit during list building? No.
How many models are in the unit during list building? 9.
Can you buy options that require 10 models if you only have 9? No.

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 Deadshot wrote:

flodihn wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
it makes perfect sense. The librarian has no bearing on your squad until the game starts. When you pick your list, that's when you follow the clear instructions on how to construct a tactical squad. Unless you buy librarians in your tac squads, you need ten marines.

I respectably disagree with you.

You can disagree as respectfully as you please, you're dead wrong, no two ways about it. The Librarian is not part of a tactical squad untill Deployment or later. And once the game begins the list is set in stone so you can't go back change it.

I disagree with the rule and I disagree that it makes sense, but I will still follow it.

Its good ypu disagree with something that thousands of people understand on a daily basis. Read your codex. Tell me where your librarian is a part of your tactical squad. I think you've been informed of this in another thread...

Independent Characters cannot be attached to a unit until Deployment. List building occurs before Deployment. Thus, the Librarian is a single unit, by himself, and the TAC is a single unit, by itself. They cannot be connected until models start hitting the table.
If you're trying to build your list during Deployment, to claim that the Libby IS part of the unit, then I'm not playing with you. You should've finished building waaaay before that.

 Windir83 wrote:
This post, and others like it, are the reasons why most people I know shun this forum. It would be bad enough if this guy was trying to bend the rules to his advantage but he's actually rewriting them to suit his purpose. I hope you get called on this gak in real life by people who know the actual rules to 40k.

The vast majority of questions in YMDC deal with normal rules issues that are easily and quickly addressed. 'Shunning' the forum because of the occasional poster who asks a question and doesn't like the answer seems like a bit of an over-reaction, frankly.


Either way, this isn't going anywhere useful. The question was asked and answered. Moving on.