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How long of a blockade of the black ships would there
need to be in order to starve the Emperor of life?

Could the combined might of all that is Chaos open a rift near
Holy Terra and create a blockade long enough to kill him?

Asking for possibility regardless of conditions, ie. Chaos
destroying itself, these guys cant get along. Is it possible through
any amount to achieve such a feat.

Feel free to state opinions but any referenced facts or ideas are
better! If not confirmed but suggested through a reliable source
just note it.

Why kill something that is already dead?
He's called the corpse-emperor for a reason

The theory is that the Chaos Gods want to keep the Emperor 'alive' because his death would mean his spirit would kick their arses in the Warp.

He can't die because that would mean story progression... which we all know there can never be.

c wut i did thar?

I agree that the crumbling husk of a man threatens very little, but I would see Chaos removing one of their biggest hurdles to entering the materium.

The Holy Throne isnt there to keep him pretty its to keep his mind functioning, which unless im mistaken is what protects most imperial citizens from possesion and the taint of the warp, as well as allows ships to travel to the EOT every time Abbadon peeks his head out.

If by chance we didnt get UberEmperor...the Imperium would be ruined, no?

Take a look at this thread:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/544637.page

Nice thank you, Chaos is an idiot if they dont murder the Emperor tonorrow...

Free reign for 20 years..assumung they cant kill baby emperor.

I dont know the direct relation but Id think all the stuff they could do in 20 years would be a lot of power for the dark

Am I missing something?

HK91 wrote:
Nice thank you, Chaos is an idiot if they dont murder the Emperor tonorrow...

Free reign for 20 years..assumung they cant kill baby emperor.

I dont know the direct relation but Id think all the stuff they could do in 20 years would be a lot of power for the dark

Am I missing something?

What makes you think Chaos even can. One does not simply walk into the Imperial Palace.

Besides, even though none of this "perpetual" nonsense is canon, if it were, Chaos would want the Emperor to stay on the golden throne forever, lest he regenerate.

HK91 wrote:
Nice thank you, Chaos is an idiot if they dont murder the Emperor tonorrow...

Free reign for 20 years..assumung they cant kill baby emperor.

I dont know the direct relation but Id think all the stuff they could do in 20 years would be a lot of power for the dark

Am I missing something?

I think you misunderstood the regenerate part:

We also dont exactly know in which ways Chaos navigates the warp, but they do use navigators in some cases. So the lifeless husk of the Emperor might be something they want to preserve for the continued use of the astronomicon. I also dont think killing the Emperor is such a big point for the Chaos Gods anymore, else they could be doing a much better job smacking their servants on the head and telling them to play nice together against the Imperium.

Its a pity a custodes does not just shoot empy in the head, regenerating him.

Come to think of it, WHY DIDN"T THE EMPEROR JUST LET HIMSELF DIE IF HE COULD JUST REGENERATE?

*mind blown*

That would assume that A) the whole Perpetuals thing is accurate (and remember, it's being taken from only one single recent Black Library book...) and B) that the Emperor knows about being able to regenerate. He may not have gone through the dying process at all before.

There is the question of whether the Emperor is actually still alive at all or whether the psykers from the Black Ships simply power the Astronomican directly. Either way, it's irrelevant. The Astronomican's entire purpose is to bring clarity to the muddleness of the Warp and prevent warp storms where it can to facilitate travel. It's going to be at its strongest close to Earth - so the likelihood of creating a warp storm there *at all* is minimal.

I've always seen it as warp storms happening at random, and not directly influenced by the Chaos Gods, because we already know that even with their combined efforts the best they can muster is a short-term temporary rift, whereas warp storms can occur for weeks, months, years at a time and even beyond.

However, if somehow by some strange circumstance ships were to be blocked from reaching Terra then the power supply for the Astronomican would be cut off - regardless of whether it's the Emperor that needs them or not.

^Very true^. If the Emperor is Vulkan' gene father, and I guess the whole regeneration is a passed down trait. Why did he sit in the throne?

My guess would be in those few hours of regeneration the broken human webway would have allowed a new EOT to form, swallowing Terra and the Sol System.
With the loss of the throne world the IOM would have withered and died, or been easy pickings for........(fill in your favourite race, renegade legion)
The big E having the gift of fore sight saw this and plumped his ass on the throne to take the lesser evil of becoming beef jerkey.

Thanks for all the replies and insights. I just like discussing topics that seem covered because sometimes you learn stuff you wouldn't otherwise!


Any reliable data on how powerful the New Emperor would be?

I feel that with all the crazy stuff in 40k now he'd have to be a BAMF x2 to even get a second look. I mean if an ork rok lands on him will he just punch out of it and start eating nobz?

Possibly not a huge length of time, based off the rulebook fluff stating that he needs a ridiculously high number of psykers to consume to stay "alive" and run the Astronomican.

...however, if Terra was blockaded, half of the Imperial spacecraft in the galaxy would be hauling a** there to open it up again. I can't see a blockade lasting long.

Well, that's just it... you can't really "blockade" craft that travel using another dimension. Best you can hope to do is put up loads of defensive weaponry around planets... anything that would stop Black Ships from getting in would have to be warp-related.

HK91 wrote:
Any reliable data on how powerful the New Emperor would be?

Yeah, "reliable" is the issue... there's as much propaganda, mythology, and blatant hyperbole as actual fact in Imperial history. If he's actually been keeping Chaos from flooding the galaxy while almost dead, you'd expect a "respawn" to be extremely powerful, as strong as his previous incarnation at the very least.

Although, an interesting plot development would be the remaining loyal Primarchs protecting an infant Emperor long enough for him to gain his former power...

Its been my theory that its more beneficial to chaos to keep the galaxy in a state of constant turmoil and war, so they still have emotion to feed on and power to grow. If Chaos "won" and the galaxy fell tho chaos, there would be far fewer/no mortals around to feed them emotion. Why do you think its so rare for the daemon primarchs to emerge from the warp?

dont speak of such things wretch

Ka? I mean what?

In addition to Vulkan Lives, we have in Legion, Emps talking to Johnny boy and telling him that people like them must stick together. Then, we have in the Mark of Calth anthology, Oll remembering the first time he met 'Him' (99% sure it's the Emps, because he's the only character referred to as 'Him' with a capital H) and Him saying that they were alike. The first time around, when Legion was released, it seemed as if Emps was just talking about being a psyker. Now we know that Grammaticus and Oll are both Perpetuals, and Emps says he's alike to both of them - and one's a Psyker, the other isn't. The common denominator is being a Perpetual.

Perpetual? Please explain.

Go check the "Vulkan Is A...." thread, it goes into details.

Immortals. Can't die. Permanently, at least. You can kill them, but they respawn.

TheSGC wrote:
Immortals. Can't die. Permanently, at least. You can kill them, but they respawn.

i'm sure Tzeentch could set up a spawn kill system...

Thanks the SGC. And no thanks Psienesis it would have far too many spoilers in the thread, though people in other threads are determined to be a mans junk by dropping spoilers like cluster bombs without tags.

They should just unplug the throne and let him regenerate. I'm sure he could sort things out eventually.

 Sturmtruppen wrote:
The theory is that the Chaos Gods want to keep the Emperor 'alive' because his death would mean his spirit would kick their arses in the Warp.

Chaos Gods need Emperror in his current mummified state because they like the post-heresy Imperium as it is: rotten, depraved, filled with hatred, ignorance, backstabing, in-fighting and despair.
They like The Long War and don't want it to end it as long as Imperium still could be juiced fro those delicious dark emotions gods feed on.