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I have a theory that there might be two types of C'tans, one type are the humanoid ones you see like the Deceiver Shard, Nightbringer Shard and the Transcendent C'tan Shard while the other type are non humanoid looking like the Void Dragon and Outsider.

Is the Transcendent C'tan Shard the most powerful of all the C'tan Shards?

Did the Emperor defeat a full powered Void Dragon or only a shard of it?

Are there more C'tans outside this galaxy?

Any chance of the C'tans becoming a army in future codex?

Well, a transcendent C'tan is just a larger shard of a C'tan or many small shard put back together.

In the previous codex, the C'tan called the outsider was outside the galaxy.

In the previous codex, it was believed the outsider was IN the galaxy, but confined inside an artifact referred to as a "Dyson sphere"** (ref: Physicist Freeman Dyson) because it was mad.

Mad or not, it still generated some kind of warp nullifying effect, so much so that tendrils of tyranid biofleets went AROUND it.


**Dyson spheres and ringworlds are all based off the same concepts. Increase habiltable area by utilising more of the local system resources.

Tardzan wrote:


Is the Transcendent C'tan Shard the most powerful of all the C'tan Shards?

Transcendent C'tan Shards are more powerful than other shards but even amongst them their is bound to be a difference in power based on what and how many C'tan shards they are a grouping of

Did the Emperor defeat a full powered Void Dragon or only a shard of it?

Fluff now dictates a shard of the Void Dragon, though it was never fully powered to begin with in that battle

Are there more C'tans outside this galaxy?

Oldcron codex stated that the C'tan were born along with the universe. Thus it implies that C'tan are scattered throughout the universe and weren't just concentrated in this galaxy alone. Newcron codex states nothing to counter this.

Any chance of the C'tans becoming a army in future codex?

Hahahahaha.... no

The Transcendent C'tan shadrd is a handful of C'tan Shards put together into one Megashard. Think Power Rangers robots. But they are no where near as powerful as the Newcron's full C'tan. New C'tan so powerful fluffwise they had to ban them and only give rules for partial 'Ctan.

I think in the Old codex it was said that C'tan could literally change the laws of physics as they pleased.

The C'tan are almost certainly all humanoid in form, with the possible exception of the Dragon (if it still exists). The C'tan when shaping their necrodermis bodies took their forms and names from the half-forgotten gods of the Necrontyr, which implies that they will be mostly in humanoid form as sentient species tend to think of their Gods as manifestations of themselves. Obviously there are exceptions, and I think there would be exceptions in the Necrontyr gods too, but for the most part, humanoid.

The Transcendent C'tan is not an individual entity, it's a different class of C'tan, essentially. It's between a dozen and a hundred shards of one C'tan that have joined to become an even more powerful being, though still a shadow of its former self.

Again, who can say if that fight ever happened now. With the updated Necron fluff, I'd wager that a lot of things like that are either retconned out of existence now, or they're simply never going to be mentioned again, because it's simply easier than trying to explain themselves.

Outside of the galaxy, it's unlikely but possible in my opinion. Not all C'tan were accounted for in Szarekh's Betrayal, but I don't really see why they'd bother leaving, there's little to no life force that we know of between the galaxies, and whilst I imagine that a fully powered C'tan could move anywhere within the universe at a whim, they had no real reason to. I can't find the quote at a quick glance through my copy of the old codex, but I seem to remember that the Outsider's Dyson Sphere was stated as being beneath the galaxy (and hence the Tyranids seemed to be moving around it). Again, who can say if that's still a thing. Also, they were created at the same time the universe was born, but it seems that Games Workshop don't really like to think about the implications of other galaxies, aside from where the Tyranids are coming from.

A C'tan codex? There's so much that would be so bad about that it makes my eyes sting a little, though I can see where you're coming from. However, the only way something like that would be possible would be if more emphasis and individuality was placed on the C'tan shards, and we received some White Dwarf supplemental material along the lines of Even Lesser Shards that were, for example, remnants of Iash'uddra the Endless Swarm, or that were used as prophets or messengers when the C'tan were first integrating into Necrontyr society.

I've always liked the Dyson sphere theory for the Outsider, and the reason for why it was imprisoned like that. I've always thought that since a Dyson sphere is supposed to be a hypothetical enclosed system to get maximum energy, it would be a perfect way to capture and sustain a C'Tan.

While the new fluff has the tesseract labyrinths and what not, my understanding is those keep and contain shards. What if there was a C'Tan who was too powerful to be sharded, or destroyed, because of what it does? What if you could imprison it into an enclosed system that it could power and would in turn sustain it? What would happen if that system failed and it got out after being imprisoned and basically being forced to cannibalize itself?

In my personal interpretation of the fluff, the majority of the c'tan were turned in to shards but the "big 4" (Outsider, Deceiver, Nightbringer and Void Dragon) survived, albeit considerably weakened and forced into hiding when the enslaver plague came about.

Didnt some of the old fluff talk about how the eldar laughing god (Cegorach?) managed to trick the outsider into eating loads of c'tan, driving him insane. He was then able to be imprisoned in the dyson sphere by the laughing god and his harlequins.

A C'tan can appear in whatever form pleases it thanks to the Necrodermis.

There aren't 2 types based on what form they most often choose to appear as. The Deceiver actually took on many forms, whatever race he was deceiving at the time. He could just as easily have appeared as an octopus.

I like to think that the Deceiver was not weakened by being broken into shards, but actually strengthened because now he can be in multiple places at once. And he probably planned it that way, too.

 vodo40k wrote:
In my personal interpretation of the fluff, the majority of the c'tan were turned in to shards but the "big 4" (Outsider, Deceiver, Nightbringer and Void Dragon) survived, albeit considerably weakened and forced into hiding when the enslaver plague came about.

Didnt some of the old fluff talk about how the eldar laughing god (Cegorach?) managed to trick the outsider into eating loads of c'tan, driving him insane. He was then able to be imprisoned in the dyson sphere by the laughing god and his harlequins.

I too would have liked some to have not been sharded, but White Dwarf stated clearly that all C'tan were sharded :(

 King Pariah wrote:

 vodo40k wrote:
In my personal interpretation of the fluff, the majority of the c'tan were turned in to shards but the "big 4" (Outsider, Deceiver, Nightbringer and Void Dragon) survived, albeit considerably weakened and forced into hiding when the enslaver plague came about.

Didnt some of the old fluff talk about how the eldar laughing god (Cegorach?) managed to trick the outsider into eating loads of c'tan, driving him insane. He was then able to be imprisoned in the dyson sphere by the laughing god and his harlequins.

I too would have liked some to have not been sharded, but White Dwarf stated clearly that all C'tan were sharded :(

And called come of those 4 out by name as being Sharded.