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Dimmamar

Unit A explodes Unit Z's transport in shooting phase. Unit Z is then placed where the transport previously was. Note that Unit Z did not disembark.
Question: Can Unit A charge Unit Z? (Again, note that Unit Z did not disembark.)

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If the shot that wrecked/exploded the transport came from the same unit, it can charge the contents.


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Any unit that fired at the transport is allowed to assault the contents, not just the unit that destroyed it (p80).

Or are you claiming that the Explodes! result doesn't disembark the passengers?
   
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 grendel083 wrote:
Or are you claiming that the Explodes! result doesn't disembark the passengers?
That is the common argument for people wanting to charge with the now "non-disembarked" unit due to the wording of the explodes result. I can imagine some people extrapolating to the opening question from there.

Doesn't hold much water with me but YMMV.
   
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Excpet the FAQ specifically states they cannot charge next turn.

they are "now disembarked", even if explodes!-ed
   
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Dimmamar

Could you reference that FAQ? I couldn't find it.

Edit: If you mean this one, then I don't think it says that.

"Q: If a unit disembarks from a destroyed vehicle during the enemy turn, can it Charge in the Assault phase of its own turn? (p80)
A: No, unless the vehicle in question was an Assault Vehicle."

There is no mention of disembarking from an Exploded vehicle. The rules for Disembarking are never referenced. The only thing we might be able to say is that, since the BRB and the FAQ reference disembarking from a destroyed vehicle, and both Wrecked and Explodes count as destroyed, then units must have disembarked from an Exploded vehicle.
But that's a bit of an extrapolation.

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I am new to this idea, but if it truly was the case that they did not disembark, then they must still be embarked. In that case, no one can assault them, they cannot assault anyone else, and they cannot shoot (seeing as the fire points are now absent) as they are still embarked.

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Could you reference that FAQ? I couldn't find it.

Edit: If you mean this one, then I don't think it says that.

"Q: If a unit disembarks from a destroyed vehicle during the enemy turn, can it Charge in the Assault phase of its own turn? (p80)
A: No, unless the vehicle in question was an Assault Vehicle."

There is no mention of disembarking from an Exploded vehicle. The rules for Disembarking are never referenced. The only thing we might be able to say is that, since the BRB and the FAQ reference disembarking from a destroyed vehicle, and both Wrecked and Explodes count as destroyed, then units must have disembarked from an Exploded vehicle.
But that's a bit of an extrapolation.


If it doesnt refer to a exploaded vehicle, what does it refer to?, trying to say it doesnt refer to a exploaded vehicle but does to a wrecked one based on what exactly?

Reading the rules on page 80 quite answer your question, it is the last paragraph of Effect of damage on passengers. It says Now disembarked. Also explodes says you place them, the rules for disembark says you place them.

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Is an exploded vehicle destroyed or not?

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Dimmamar

Good, good. I'm over on Warseer trying to say that yes, Destroyed=Explodes, but TFG keeps saying no. And yes, he admits that this means you can't charge a unit whose vehicle was destroyed by your shooting.

I've basically presented everything everyone's said here....just thought I'd look for any new arguments.

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Quote the last section on page 80 mate, effect of damage on passengers, it is AFTER exploaded wrecked specific results, so applies to both. And yes I have had this arguement before.

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Dimmamar

I did already show him that. He said what I said in my second post on this thread. It's dumb...
And I'm not sure that a chronological (ie. since it comes AFTER, it applies to BOTH) would work. I recall seeing someone trying this before in YMDC, and getting shot down.
I would accept it...but I'm not the person I'm trying to convince!

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I know you can charge the contents of a transport you destroy with your shooting. I believe the rule is in the transport section. Its own little box IIRC.

Edit: Yup, page 80. last paragraph under "Transports and Assaults".

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Just to make sure I have the gist of this question:

You are arguing with a guy on a different forum, using the info provided here? And you agree with the sentiment here? But are posting his responses by proxy?

Good grief. Talk about an xkcd moment.

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Ask him to find the definition of Destroyed in the BRB, when he cant, tell him that a wrecked or exploded vehicle fits the description of destroyed in the English Language.

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