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Which HQ area is better?

Coteaz is the best GK HQ by a significant margin IMO.

There is a special character that gives "terminator ghost knights" when he loses a would. But he has a few to start with. They were pretty annoyingly good to fight with my chaos force. I think the blokes name was Mordrak.

Glad to hear Mordrak is annoyingly powerful. And it is nice to know that Coteaz is effective.
Thank You.

Right now Corteaz is quite possibly the best HQ in the entire game due to how much he gives you for only 100pts.

Cortez gives you so many cool options for list building, a gk army with no gks anyone?

Let's go through them quickly:

Draigo. If you're running Draigo-wing, he gets it done. Still nasty in CC, unless you're facing Abaddon or somebody else good with TDA.

Mordrak. I've had success with him, but you absolutely need to build your list around him or you're giving up like First Blood and Slay the Warlord at the same time. Use him in a full Alpha Strike/Max Threat Overload list, and he'll do fine.

Generic Grand Master. These guys are overlooked, but pretty great. Grand Strategy is a wonderful ability, and he's the only one of the three GM types that can take ALL THE GRENADES (really just Rad and Psychotroke, but Blind Grenades are funny too). They add a lot of punch to a CC squad, and give quite good utility. They are what SM Captains should be more like. He can also get an effective Storm Shield if he keeps his standard sword instead of switching, making him about as survivable as you can get without EW.

You're not taking the Brother Captain or Brotherhood Champion. The Grand Master is basically just better than the Bro Captain (I'd pay 25 points for Grand Strategy any day), and a 1W pure combat HQ isn't really what 6th edition is calling for nowadays, especially if he's your warlord.5

Librarian. Only take if you have a combo that uses the Codex GK powers, because Coteaz is basically strictly better if you're switching to Divination. Is costed like old psykers, not new ones (post DA/CSM), so you're generally not getting your points worth if you take him.

Coteaz. Point for point, probably the best GK HQ. Lvl 2 Psyker, Troop Henchmen, a range-restricted but unlimited use Interceptor, and decent melee skills combined with his bargain-barrel points cost means you generally have to justify why you're not including him.

Valeria/Karamazov. Good for fluff, generally inefficient on rules. Valeria's got neat combat tricks, but no utility, and is still a T3 non-Eternal Warrior character with 3+/4++. Karamazov can do friendly fire shenanigans, but costs a lot is easily shot at. I occasionally take Valeria and Trazyn together in a trolly fluff romantic comedy list, but it's not something that reliably wins games.

Crowe. Take him for Purifier spam. If he was an IC he'd be good on his own merits, as it is reserve him or hide him in a LR or something, and take another HQ to be warlord, cause he's not lasting the game out.

Inquisitors. Got all the utility. Either TDA psyker Psycannon Malleus Inquisitors or goodie bag Xenos Inquisitors are what I've gone with and done well with. The psycannon one is just pure efficiency. The Xenos Inquisitor gets the Plasma Syphon to randomly hose some armies (it works against all Tau Pulse weapons!) and can also take ALL THE GRENADES. Both also get to be cheap Prescience bots. If GK could take multiple Inquisitors per HQ slot, they would.

I can't remember any others right now, but yeah, Coteaz, Draigo, certain Inquisitors, and the Grand Master are all good choices. Mordrak, Crowe, and Librarians are niche choices. Valeria, Karamazov, Bro Captains and Bro Champs are, in my reckoning, not competitive.

Top two GK HQs are Coteaz as best in slot (even if you bring zero henchmen), followed by the Grand Master. Anything else and you have to have a really good reason why you're not bringing one of the other two.

Coteaz gets my vote. As far as I can see, his sole weaknesses are a lack of an Invulnerable Save (Forewarning notwithstanding) and an inability to Deep Strike (I like to take my GKs as Allies, and it just seems more fitting if I can DS everything, which is why sometimes, it's a Librarian instead). Everything else about him is fantastic. Bubblewrap him in a 10 man Knight squad (decked out, of course, you still want to do some killing with Presienced Psycannons) and go to it.

Of course, if Points are at an EPIC premium, a bare bones Inquisitor is only marginally more expensive than a single Grey Knight. He/She/It won't acheive much, but hey, bargain HQ choice. (If you must take the bargain Inquisitor, at least take Psyker and Power Armour. puts the price at around 3 Knights, but at least you get Prescience out of it)

 Thariinye wrote:
Let's go through them quickly:

Generic Grand Master. These guys are overlooked, but pretty great. Grand Strategy is a wonderful ability, and he's the only one of the three GM types that can take ALL THE GRENADES (really just Rad and Psychotroke, but Blind Grenades are funny too). They add a lot of punch to a CC squad, and give quite good utility. They are what SM Captains should be more like. He can also get an effective Storm Shield if he keeps his standard sword instead of switching, making him about as survivable as you can get without EW.

Now, I agree with all your other points, but this one I'll challenge. On paper, the Grand Master does look really nice (& I'd really like to get use out of mine in this edition - rad/psyc grenades are awesome), but I haven't seen practically any batreps or competitive lists that make use of him. It's basically a delivery issue. DSing with a unit (any beatstick will do) is fine, but leaving him and his beat-stick off the table for potentially 2-3 turns wastes a lot of points, since an inquisitor w/ grenades and death cultists/crusaders is a cheaper alternative to a one-shot assault unit. If you're walking him up the board, Draigo is often the better choice since he has the real Storm Shield and can tank incoming fire with EW. I just have trouble seeing where he could be practically used in a list without either being corralled into a 'sergeant++' role or taking the place of a similar, better SC (Draigo, Mordrak, Crowe, etc...).

Do the inquisitor SCs go under "special characters" or "inquisitors"? Cos Coteaz gets my vote.

Coteaz beats all the others by far

Coteaz, such a value you'd think he is what started Costco.

I concur with Xcal. On paper, the GM looks fabulous, but in reality, there is always a better option for the roll a GM fulfills.

Draigo unlocks Paladins and is the only real tank in our codex. Mordrak is transport that just so happens to also be a GM. Crowe unlocks Purifiers, at a fairly heavy tax. Stern is garbage. Brother-Captains are ok, yet a GM is way better for not much more, yet a GM is out shined by other HQ choices; both are still way better than Stern. The Librarian is a Paladin in an HQ slot that unlocks codex powers, which bring great utility at a high cost.

On the inquisition side, there is Cotaez. Nothing compares to Cotaez, and that includes every other army in 40k. The only reason not to take him is that you already have a strategy that requires two other HQs. Val and the Big K are gimmicky, and hard to justify outside of a very very fluff strategy. The generic inquisitors are excellent, low cost HQs that bring to the army great utility without a premium price tag. They are good complements to any HQ you take, if you have a strategy that does not require two specific HQs.

Personally, I run a Ghostwing with Mordrak and a Libby, which fits my strategy.

SJ

The question is irrelevant. Which HQ to use depends entirely upon what army you plan on running.

Overall, I would say the Grandmaster and Coteaz are tied for best HQ. Grandmaster gets you Grandstrategy, plus a BS6 psycannon platform. Coteaz gets you a very cheap lvl2 divination psyker, and the option to take Henchmen as troops.

The Librarian comes in a close second. a lvl2, potentially lvl3, psyker is good support. Divination is awesome.

I actually am pondering running Coteaz and a Librarian(Run ALL the Divination powers!!!)

 Xca|iber wrote:

 Thariinye wrote:
Let's go through them quickly:

Generic Grand Master. These guys are overlooked, but pretty great. Grand Strategy is a wonderful ability, and he's the only one of the three GM types that can take ALL THE GRENADES (really just Rad and Psychotroke, but Blind Grenades are funny too). They add a lot of punch to a CC squad, and give quite good utility. They are what SM Captains should be more like. He can also get an effective Storm Shield if he keeps his standard sword instead of switching, making him about as survivable as you can get without EW.

Now, I agree with all your other points, but this one I'll challenge. On paper, the Grand Master does look really nice (& I'd really like to get use out of mine in this edition - rad/psyc grenades are awesome), but I haven't seen practically any batreps or competitive lists that make use of him. It's basically a delivery issue. DSing with a unit (any beatstick will do) is fine, but leaving him and his beat-stick off the table for potentially 2-3 turns wastes a lot of points, since an inquisitor w/ grenades and death cultists/crusaders is a cheaper alternative to a one-shot assault unit. If you're walking him up the board, Draigo is often the better choice since he has the real Storm Shield and can tank incoming fire with EW. I just have trouble seeing where he could be practically used in a list without either being corralled into a 'sergeant++' role or taking the place of a similar, better SC (Draigo, Mordrak, Crowe, etc...).

Yeah, you're probably right about that. To take a well-kitted out GM (Grenade Pack), you need to justify why you don't have the points for Draigo, or why those grenades are more important than his increased survivability and FOC adjustment. Grenade Pack Xenos Inquisitors are cheaper for better buffing effects, it's just Grand Strategy and some direct CC effectiveness that you're missing out on. I've used the Grenadier GM a few times, and he's worked out well, but yeah, probably better served even in his own role by either Draigo or a Xenos Inquisitor.

Revise to: Take if you need Grand Strategy and Grenades in one HQ slot, and you're not taking Draigo. (Mordrak as before requires an army built around him, so I don't feel that he competes with the generic GM in a vacuum)



Oh yeah, Brother Captain Stern. There's a reason I forgot he existed. Yeah, you're not taking him either. Giving your opponent rerolls is not something you want to be doing, even if you do get your own, and he doesn't give you Grand Strategy or any of the actual reasons you take GK HQs.

I think that Draigo and Coteaz are for first with Grandmasters and Librarians for second. Both Draigo and Coteaz give you some great troops options and the Librarian and Grandmaster just cannot be overlooked.

 Grey Knight Dillon wrote:
I think that Draigo and Coteaz are for first with Grandmasters and Librarians for second. Both Draigo and Coteaz give you some great troops options and the Librarian and Grandmaster just cannot be overlooked.

Draigo maybe, but isn't purifier spam dead now with the Heldrake?

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 Grey Knight Dillon wrote:
I think that Draigo and Coteaz are for first with Grandmasters and Librarians for second. Both Draigo and Coteaz give you some great troops options and the Librarian and Grandmaster just cannot be overlooked.

Draigo maybe, but isn't purifier spam dead now with the Heldrake?

Sure it is, but he said Coteaz, not Crowe.

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 Grey Knight Dillon wrote:
I think that Draigo and Coteaz are for first with Grandmasters and Librarians for second. Both Draigo and Coteaz give you some great troops options and the Librarian and Grandmaster just cannot be overlooked.

Draigo maybe, but isn't purifier spam dead now with the Heldrake?

Sure it is, but he said Coteaz, not Crowe.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 Grey Knight Dillon wrote:
I think that Draigo and Coteaz are for first with Grandmasters and Librarians for second. Both Draigo and Coteaz give you some great troops options and the Librarian and Grandmaster just cannot be overlooked.

Draigo maybe, but isn't purifier spam dead now with the Heldrake?

Sure it is, but he said Coteaz, not Crowe.

Thats funny.

Just be honest you are taking Corteaz anyways even if you are taking another of the HQs.

I personally hate that Inquisitors and henchmen are in the Grey Knights codex. As such, I chose to take neither. Nothing against those that do, but its not the thing for me. Pretty sure others are of the same opinion.

Not that I think the Inquisitorial units are bad, just that they are not Grey Knights.

SJ

I'm going to toss my vote in for Coteaz as "Most Efficient HQ Unit Ever". He can fit in pretty much any Grey Knight list and offers so very much it generally has become 'Ok, why am I Not, taking Coteaz' when list-building.

I'll second that opinion. I just got second place in a tournament running Coteaz in a Terminator list. He was amazing, I got Forewarning in all 3 missions, and the other powers I got were useful(Misfortune saved my bacon on game 3 against Eldar)

Voting Coteaz, ran him at NOVA this weekend with a squad of henchmen w/2x Jokaeros, 3x plasma gunners, 4x crusaders (to suck up wounds) and an extra acolyte for 4 pts. Between his two roles (one always traded for prescience) and the space monkeys, that squad killed more than its points cost every game, including six chaos bikers that outflanked, the bulk of 15 DW termies (5 were Knights) thanks to misfortune, broadsides and several paladins.

My opponent ran him in round eight with a draigo wing to twin link, they shot their way through quite a few of my terminators thanks to the twin linking psycannons.

Awesome choice at 100 pts.

Seeing that alot of people like Coteaz, what is the best part about him?

 Grey Knight Dillon wrote:
Seeing that alot of people like Coteaz, what is the best part about him?

Lvl 2 psyker with 2+ armour for only 100 points.

- He's dirt cheap in a codex full of expensive models
- He can generate 2 psychic powers from the divination tree
- He comes with 2+ armor and Stubborn by default
- He has a 12" range pseudo-Interceptor bubble that can be used an unlimited amount of times
- He can mess with seizing the initiative (a free, but situational bonus)
- He has some decent weapons, so he's not just a caddy for his unit
- He makes Henchmen troops choices, if you go that route

That's all I can think of at the moment. Remember that all of those things synergize well with point #1.