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For my next army I'm planning Wolves army. The 2 things that draw me to the wolves are drop pods and, of course, wolves. I realise that wolves are not the most effective units (being CC based), but I've just got to have at least a semi competitive wolf heavy list. I'll use a drop pod GH list for those times I need a stronger one.
Thanks to everyone I've revised the list, the new one is:
HQ Rune Priest (Terminator Armour, JOTWW, Hurricane)
Rune Priest (Terminator Armour, JOTWW, Lightning)
Wolf Priest (Termie, Combi Plasma, Wolf Tooth Necklace, Saga of Wolfkin)
Elite
Wolf Guard x7.
2xPack Leaders (Term Armour, Storm Shield, Frost Blade, meltabombs)
5x (all in Termie Armour, 2 x TH/SS, 3 x combi-melta/Wolf Claw, 1 x CML) , Drop pod, (Deathwind) , Wolf Priest here
Iron Priest, Thunderwolf, 4 Cyberwolves
Troop
6x Grey Hunter (MeltaGun, Wolf Standard), Drop Pod (Deathwind), WGPL, Rune Priest
6x Grey Hunter (Flamer, Wolf Standard), Drop Pod (Deathwind), WGPL, Rune Priest
7x Grey Hunter (Flamer, Wolf Standard), Drop Pod (Deathwind) (Note, these will hide behind the ADL and I'll drop the pod empty)
Fast Attack
3 x TWC (3xSS, 1 x TH, 2x Plasma pistol)
12 x Fenrisian Wolves
12 x Fenrisian Wolves
ADL, Comms Relay
1993 points (I think - the WG are doing my head in.).
Better?
I could swap the Iron Priest for a Dreadnaught in a pod, and that would allow me to hold the WG back from the first wave?
Comments much appreciated!
Old list in the spoiler
Spoiler:
The main concern I had was the appalling LD of the wolves, so a key part of this list is sacrificing Bjorn to make the rest of the army fearless. Plan is to agressively advance Bjorn in T1, coinciding with arrival of drop pods and a general push forward by wolves and armour. Then, T2, it's into assault.
Couple of additional points - The drop pods have deathwind launchers because I need the opponent to have a reason to shoot at them rather than the incoming assault. Effectively I'm going to use them sort of like a gun line.
I'm scoring troops short. That's the reason for the single LF (with WG pack leader) - another scoring unit for Big guns.
The list:
HQ Bjorn
Canis (2x Fenrisian Wolves)
Rune Priest (Combi-Melta, Melta bombs, Wolf tooth necklace, Living Lightning, JOTWW)
Elite
Wolf Guard x 3 (3x Termie armour, 3xSS, 3xFrost Blade, Drop Pod w Deathwind) This drop pod will come down empty.
Iron Priest (3 x cyberwolves)
Troops
8 x Fenrisian Wolves
9 x Fenrisian Wolves
5x GH, (Flamer, WS, MOTW Drop Pod w Deathwind) with WG, Rune Priest
5x GH (Flamer, WS, MOTW Drop Pod w Deathwind) with WG
Fast Attack
3 x TWC (SSx2, TH) with Canis
Heavy Support
Predator (Stormbolter)
Vindicator (Siege shield, stormbolter)
1 x Long Fang (missile launcher) Razor w Lascannon & TL Plasma Gun (Iron Priest steals this ride)
Aegis, Comms Relay.
Questions for Dakka:
a) Heavy Support: I'm thinking I should get the Quad gun rather than the comms relay as I can live with the empty pod not coming in. The reason for the relay is that it gives a bit more flexibility to reserve a squad of GH or wolves.
b) I'm one troop short for my liking - I can get this by ditching the Iron Priest and his ride, but given how much of my shooting is tied up in these vehicles, not sure if ditching him is a good idea. Thoughts?
c) I'm having a difficult time getting this to scale down - can people who have run wolves let me know how they do when they aren't fearless but Saga of the Wolfkin is in play? I'm thinking of taking a WG battle leader at lower points. Also, has anyone tried ourflanking wolves with a WGBL mounted on a Thunderwolf with Saga of the Hunter?
Comments are welcome, but please try and retain the TWC and at least 1 squad of wolves!
edit to clarify WG load out.
This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2013/09/04 17:40:20
I would just boost your squads to be bigger instead of having to sack for two VP(if he ends up being the WL). Fearless is cool but there are alot of things you can't do while you are. (IE go to ground, run away from MC).
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Why would you deep strike a lander raider?
Hm, i got more then 1999+1 Points if i take you loadout.
But still there are some other points you should check.
RP:
- Combi-Melter only with TDA (Missing i believe) and its a waste cause you want to shot you psypowers.
- You can put the Necklace away because a WG should take Challanges against Characters, your RP shouldnt be in challanges
WG:
- What is the job of the third WG?
Ironpriest:
- You could give him a TW and put him together with his Cyberwolfs in the TWC (Extra Wounds and a TH) or leth him run alone with 4 Cyberwolves [Don't forget he's a Character)
Heavy Slots:
A little mixed for my taste, and a naked Predator isnt a good choice pointswise (My Opinion)
To Saga of the Hunter: Only Infantrymodels in Powerarmor can take it, so on a TWC it isnt possible
Edit:
You could switch the Heavy Support for 2 Predators with Lasersponsons (4 Shots per Round and good Mobility) and the Vindicator. With that Loadout you can skip the Aegis.
This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2013/09/04 09:37:45
RP:
- Combi-Melter only with TDA (Missing i believe) and its a waste cause you want to shot you psypowers.
- You can put the Necklace away because a WG should take Challanges against Characters, your RP shouldnt be in challanges
Ironpriest:
- You could give him a TW and put him together with his Cyberwolfs in the TWC (Extra Wounds and a TH) or leth him run alone with 4 Cyberwolves [Don't forget he's a Character)
I didn't see the character thing in the FAQ? Can Characters join squads? I thought it was only Independent characters that could do that. I do like the idea of running him with TwC though.
To Saga of the Hunter: Only Infantrymodels in Powerarmor can take it, so on a TWC it isnt possible
I was wondering about that - the codex specifically excluded jump packs and bikes, but not TwC. Good pick on the power armour. Hmm...that means I can't outflank fenrisian wolves, might need to rework the list a bit.
You could switch the Heavy Support for 2 Predators with Lasersponsons (4 Shots per Round and good Mobility) and the Vindicator. With that Loadout you can skip the Aegis.
I mainly had the Aegis for the Comms Relay, to make sure the second wave of pods came in and to provide some T1 cover for the tanks. Course with Bjorn, I'd probably be going first.
Re the Pred - you meant with TL Las plus Las sponsons? So 160pts per pred?
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If i go after the BRB an Ironpriest is a Character but i cant find if he is Independend or not. Interessting. (Mostly likely my Mistake, but still a IronP on TW is nice; free 2+ Armor, free TH, +1A, +1T and a St8 AP1 Servoarm for 155P [Wolves inclusiv])
Yes by naked i mean without Sponsons (Dont know if you had them cause nothing showed in your list)
And in the Space Wolves Codex it is mentioned that Saga of the Hunter is "Infantrie only" (First sentence of the Rule)
And i run my Predators with Normal Cannon and Las-Spons for 4 Shots. 2x St 7 AP 4 and two Str 9 AP 2 Shots
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/09/04 12:21:59
You're going to have a very difficult time contesting objectives, and I'm not sure you've got enough *Umph* to table your opponent.
For example, the only thing you have that can hold objectives are two units of 5 Grey Hunters. A total of 10 models = not enough.
Now, I'll grant you that the 4 cavalry models you have will shred most things in close combat, you have to get them there first. They will go down easily to massed bolter fire. The Terminators are not at all scary in a squad of just 3, and the Fenrisian Wolves have a 6+ armor save - which might as well be no armor at all. They will take casualties from shooting AND from overwatch.
So I guess what I'm saying is this; While the idea behind this list *may* be basically sound, you'll need to do one of the following to make it effective. Put a lot more punch into the list and/or add a lot more models.
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/09/04 14:58:36
2500 pts
Horst wrote:This is how trolling happens. A few cheeky posts are made. Then they get more insulting. Eventually, we revert to our primal animal state, hurling feces at each other while shreeking with glee.
Grugknuckle wrote: You're going to have a very difficult time contesting objectives, and I'm not sure you've got enough *Umph* to table your opponent.
For example, the only thing you have that can hold objectives are two units of 5 Grey Hunters. A total of 10 models = not enough.
Now, I'll grant you that the 4 cavalry models you have will shred most things in close combat, you have to get them there first. They will go down easily to massed bolter fire. The Terminators are not at all scary in a squad of just 3, and the Fenrisian Wolves have a 6+ armor save - which might as well be no armor at all. They will take casualties from shooting AND from overwatch.
So I guess what I'm saying is this; While the idea behind this list *may* be basically sound, you'll need to do one of the following to make it effective. Put a lot more punch into the list and/or add a lot more models.
Thanks for the feedback, I'm in the middle of trying to adjust it now. I'm having a tactical difficulty, because I want to have a drop pod based army as my main competitive one, so I'm trying to use them in this list (because I don't really want to buy a load of Rhino's as well). However, to make the wolves a little more survivable, I need to get someone with Saga of the Wolfkin to get their Ld up (because rerolling against a 5 is pretty pointless). So, I'm running out of points pretty fast.
I think I need to go all in here and ditch the heavy support for more T1 hitting power - win in T2/3 or lose horribly. Tactically the idea is to present the opponent with a difficult choice - kill the units in the drop pods, OR kill the incoming wolves. And if an army can do both, then I'm toast .
Automatically Appended Next Post: Ok, thanks everyone for the feedback.
Revised list below:
HQ Rune Priest (Terminator Armour, JOTWW, Hurricane)
Rune Priest (Terminator Armour, JOTWW, Lightning)
Wolf Priest (Termie, Combi Plasma, Wolf Tooth Necklace, Saga of Wolfkin)
Elite
Wolf Guard x7.
2xPack Leaders (Term Armour, Storm Shield, Frost Blade, meltabombs)
5x (all in Termie Armour, 2 x TH/SS, 3 x combi-melta/Wolf Claw, 1 x CML) , Drop pod, (Deathwind) , Wolf Priest here
Iron Priest, Thunderwolf, 4 Cyberwolves
Troop
6x Grey Hunter (MeltaGun, Wolf Standard), Drop Pod (Deathwind), WGPL, Rune Priest
6x Grey Hunter (Flamer, Wolf Standard), Drop Pod (Deathwind), WGPL, Rune Priest
7x Grey Hunter (Flamer, Wolf Standard), Drop Pod (Deathwind) (Note, these will hide behind the ADL and I'll drop the pod empty)
Fast Attack
3 x TWC (3xSS, 1 x TH, 2x Plasma pistol)
12 x Fenrisian Wolves
12 x Fenrisian Wolves
ADL, Comms Relay
1993 points (I think - the WG are doing my head in.).
Better?
I could swap the Iron Priest for a Dreadnaught in a pod, and that would allow me to hold the WG back from the first wave?
Comments much appreciated!
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/09/04 17:36:41
Why not drop both rune priests for more grey hunters? Since your biggest problem is lack of models, it doesn't make sense to spend 370+ points on 3 character models. And the Iron Priest make no sense at all unless you're bring lots of vehicles.
EDIT : Just think about how many Fenrisian Wolves you could get for 370 points.
This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2013/09/04 17:42:19
2500 pts
Horst wrote:This is how trolling happens. A few cheeky posts are made. Then they get more insulting. Eventually, we revert to our primal animal state, hurling feces at each other while shreeking with glee.
Good point. Somehow a SW list with no Rune Priest didn't occur to me.
The Iron Priest is only there to satisfy my wolf requirements. Turns out that for 150 points you can get an iron priest on a thunderwolf plus 4 cyberwolves.
I can only get 6 more Fenrisian wolves, max is 15 per squad. Also, as I took Canis out, I can't use the spare troops slots.
Oh well, back to the drawing board.
Comments on the wolf guard load out? Particularly for the pack leaders - I was torn between adding termie armour or not.
10 Grey Hunters + 2xMeltaguns, MotW, Wolf Standard, Drop Pod (215)
10 Grey Hunters + 2xMeltaguns, MotW, Wolf Standard, Drop Pod (215)
10 Grey Hunters + 2xPlasmaguns, MotW, Wolf Standard, Drop Pod (220)
10 Grey Hunters + 2xPlasmaguns, MotW, Wolf Standard, Drop Pod (220)
6 Long Fangs + 5 Missile Launchers, Drop Pod (175)
6 Long Fangs + 5 Missile Launchers (140)
Total 1995
2500 pts
Horst wrote:This is how trolling happens. A few cheeky posts are made. Then they get more insulting. Eventually, we revert to our primal animal state, hurling feces at each other while shreeking with glee.
: 3000pts.
: 2000pts
BA-4k+ 
Gaurd 4K+
Tau 4k+ 
Of course.
2500 pts
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