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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/04 14:12:34
Subject: Multiple MSSes
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Dakka Veteran
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If I run a unit with a Overlord with MSS and a Lord with MSS in it and a single model gets into base contact with both of them, what happens?
The way I've played it has been 2 leadership tests; however, only allowing 1D3 hits. There is nothing to really back up this ruling; however, tends to be less of a TFG move telling my opponent it's hitting himself 2D3 from 2 failed MSS tests in the absence of a true ruling.
That said - has anyone else encountered this and know if both MSS can be used for 2D3 hits or what the ruling is overall?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/04 14:23:35
Subject: Multiple MSSes
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Sneaky Lictor
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I've encountered and we did the two tests but only ever allowed the single d3 for the hits.
The test for MSS happens at I step 10 but the hits take place at the I step of the model impacted. He's still only gets to get a "normal" number of attacks during his initiative step (D3 attacks due to the MSS rule). Nothing in the MSS rules gives exception to this.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/04 16:56:06
Subject: Re:Multiple MSSes
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Grisly Ghost Ark Driver
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The MSS writeup indicates that the attacks are done instead of the models normal attacks. This indicates to me, that multiple MSS's do essentially nothing apart from forcing more than one test.
What and how the model attacks is replaced by the MSS effect, however the model is not given permission to attack more than once. once the first MSS effect has been applied, that model has attacked for that fight sub-phase and cannot be further forced to do so again unless the effect prompting such explicitly states so.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/09/04 16:56:39
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/04 17:22:37
Subject: Re:Multiple MSSes
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Chalice-Wielding Sanguinary High Priest
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Seems to me you've been playing it right, but have a look at MSS wording just in case. It might well say something like "a model in base contact with *one or more* models with MSS" and that would restrict you to just one Ld test.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/04 17:35:59
Subject: Re:Multiple MSSes
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Grisly Ghost Ark Driver
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It doesn't say 'one or more' as such, it simply indicates a random model in base-contact with the bearer of MSS; so no issues there for a model to be within base-to-base of more than one bearer.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/12 16:38:10
Subject: Re:Multiple MSSes
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Dakka Veteran
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Following up with this thread with more information.
So based on more research over on a Necron board, it would appear that if a single model fails multiple MSS tests, that model would do xD3 hits to his unit (where x = # of failed MSS tests). Note - the latest wording in the FAQ says that it's to the unit unless the model is on their own or in part of a challenge in which case it's to themselves.
http://necrontyronline.freeforums.org/multiple-mindshackle-scarabs-t2363.html
http://necrontyronline.freeforums.org/mindshackle-t2412.html
One thing still debated is if a character in base contact with a MSS refuses a challenge, do they still swing if they fail a MSS test.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/12 17:37:45
Subject: Multiple MSSes
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The Hive Mind
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That can't be correct.
MSS hits replace the model's normal attacks. After you replace it once, you can't replace it again.
You only get D3 hits no matter how many MSS tests are failed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/12 17:55:25
Subject: Multiple MSSes
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
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You test MSS once, and resolve the failure with one set of d3 attacks and that's it.
As to the challenge issues, if a model cannot swing, it cannot make d3 attacks.
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