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Are dwarf a good army to use in fantasy. our should i get a army that has been updated. I'm not really in to magic so any army i use will not have any wizards our any thing to do with magic

Dwarfs can be a ton of fun to play. Just remember a gun line gets really boring really quickly. So vary things up a bit and you should have a great time. Rumors are leaning toward the Dwarfs getting a new army book early next year.

No army can match the might and greatness of the Dwarves! They have a multitude if lists to play and are, in my opinion, one of the most competetive armies. The anti magic the have is unparalled and almosy impossible to overcome. Though they may be getting an update(hoping to the Gods thats true) you dont have to wait to start assembling your Throng.

I wouldn't start with a Dwarven army as they're such a narrowly focused army.

Movement - You don't do any meaningful movement unless you have an anvil and just generally get hopelessly out-manuevered.

Magic - You can throw dice at an anvil if you have one. You're anti-magic means that your opponent just six dices nukes at you (which will eventually get through and ruin you).

Shooting - You're really good at this, so you sit in a corner and shoot.

Combat - Your low I, WS, S and number of attacks see combat specialists take you apart without breaking a sweat.

When I see players start with Dwarves their development is "stunted" to say the least as they don't learn how the movement phase works, don't learn how to manage magic phases and start thinking that 10" from the back is the be all and end all of warhammer. In essence they don't become decent players.

I would advise starting Fantasy with a well rounded army that competes in all phases of the game and has a book that's relatively up to date.

Are they really that bad of a army. Its the only one i like in fantasy as they don't do magic. i really don't like any other race as the all are big on magic. I never would plat gun line i play 40k ig and people are always shocked that i don't play gun. i no dwarfs move slow but i just wouldn't sit there

What you like is the most important factor when choosing an army. Go for dwarves! Just be aware of their limitations.

zilka86 wrote:
Are they really that bad of a army. Its the only one i like in fantasy as they don't do magic. i really don't like any other race as the all are big on magic. I never would plat gun line i play 40k ig and people are always shocked that i don't play gun. i no dwarfs move slow but i just wouldn't sit there

Pretty much everything Sneaky_Gobbo has said is spot on. Dwarfs are an outdated mess of an army atm. If you dont like the idea of magic your probably not going to enjoy fantasy that much. Games are won and lost in the magic phase more than any other phase.

So magic is still the king of fantasy then i probably will not injoy it. i don't see need for any thing magic. i do love the fulff. i always wanted play it but just like 40k you always got to have the newst codex to have a good army. If that's they case here in fantasy like 40k all just not play.


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So if i wanted to play fantasy i have to go lizardmen because ther the newist army. and if i build a army as many wizards our magic caster as can get a little elae us need to play sounds like mtg for the table top

zilka86 wrote:
So magic is still the king of fantasy then i probably will not injoy it. i don't see need for any thing magic. i do love the fulff. i always wanted play it but just like 40k you always got to have the newst codex to have a good army. If that's they case here in fantasy like 40k all just not play.


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So if i wanted to play fantasy i have to go lizardmen because ther the newist army. and if i build a army as many wizards our magic caster as can get a little elae us need to play sounds like mtg for the table top

No you dont have to play lizardmen, Most of the armies in the game are good, some of them are a bit lackluster like OnG and TK but those armies can still do well. What you do need to accept is that the magic phase is important and it always has been. The biggest issue is, you want to start a game with an army that has not been updated for 7 years. The army used to function perfectly fine but in those 7 years most armies have been given ways to outperform dwarfs at pretty much everything.

zilka86 wrote:
So magic is still the king of fantasy then i probably will not injoy it. i don't see need for any thing magic. i do love the fulff. i always wanted play it but just like 40k you always got to have the newst codex to have a good army. If that's they case here in fantasy like 40k all just not play.


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So if i wanted to play fantasy i have to go lizardmen because ther the newist army. and if i build a army as many wizards our magic caster as can get a little elae us need to play sounds like mtg for the table top

That's really not how it works. Dwarfs, Wood Elves, and Bretonnia aren't in great shape because they're super old and designed with very different rules in mind, but just about all the armies are on a similar level and there's no power creep with newer books. If anything they're toning things back down a little.

Cramming in a ton of casters won't do much, either, as you'll rapidly hit diminishing returns. You do need to worry about magic, as has been stated, but dwarves can get some great anti-magic capabilities as it is.

So of the only two armies i like dwarfs and bretioons are so old and ourdated that they are very bad armies ok so what are the newist armies besides lizardmen

Empire, Orcs and Goblins, Tomb Kings, Vampire Counts, Lizardmen, High Elves, Warriors of Chaos, Daemons of Chaos, and Ogre Kingdoms are all current edition. Dark Elves, Skaven, and Beastmen are prior edition, with Dark Elves getting an update soon. Dark Elves and Skaven currently have very, very good books for this edition, while Beastmen are... not so good in their current state.

All the current edition armies are relatively level with each other. Dark Elves and Skaven are a little abusively good with current mechanics if you know how to build them that way. As stated, Dwarfs, Bretonnia, and Wood Elves are pretty shafted. There are rumors of Dwarfs getting an update somewhat soon, but nothing confirmed.

I was reading that the orc and goblin book was a very bad codex and weak

You'll hear everyone say their codex is bad. People even complained that the WoC was terrible and junk when it came out because Marauders got a needed nerf to bring them in line. Really if anything they're one of the top armies still, and that's come to be accepted.

The thing is the power differences between the current edition books are much less substantial than the differences between editions. O&G may be slightly weaker than WoC (key word may), but Wood Elves is pretty much demonstrably weaker because the mechanics are balanced for rules that no longer exist. It's a huge rift, whereas if there is a rift between O&G and WoC, it's pretty minor and you're starting to grasp at straws.

Ok was looking at the dark elf army i kind like what i see ther is it at possible to run a dark elf army of manly corsires and cross bow guys with a unit our 2of the dinsour clavry. Is ther magic any good


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Ok was looking at the dark elf army i kind like what i see ther is it at possible to run a dark elf army of manly corsires and cross bow guys with a unit our 2of the dinsour clavry. Is ther magic any good

Darkelves are rumored to be getting a new book in october, so any advice people could give you would be bordering on useless due to us not knowing whats going to change next month

zilka86 wrote:
Ok was looking at the dark elf army i kind like what i see ther is it at possible to run a dark elf army of manly corsires and cross bow guys with a unit our 2of the dinsour clavry. Is ther magic any good


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Ok was looking at the dark elf army i kind like what i see ther is it at possible to run a dark elf army of manly corsires and cross bow guys with a unit our 2of the dinsour clavry. Is ther magic any good

It was possible in the old book and should still be in the new book as those crossbowmen and corsairs are pretty nifty but beware as with all Elves they are T3 and usually don't have much of an armor save so you will need to learn to pick you battles. Cold One Knights won't die easily but there are better options in the old book. Look back whent he new book comes out as they will probably be boosted.

Dark Elves Magic is currently overpowered how this changes in the new book is what everyone is waiting to see.

If thee t3 then ther not a good army the will just. die to easy

zilka86 wrote:
If thee t3 then ther not a good army the will just. die to easy

Not exactly T3 empire cav works relatively well as do Brets because of High armor values. It is when you combine Expensive with very little armor and t3 that the army becomes more challenging. HE can work and do work quite well but they lack a bit of staying power.

Ogres have it hell it takes 3 wounds for you to lose anything.

Really ogres and cavalry are only t3wow what weak troops it t4 our better for me. i can't stand any thing t 3 and how easy the die just not a good thing

zilka86 wrote:
Really ogres and cavalry are only t3wow what weak troops it t4 our better for me. i can't stand any thing t 3 and how easy the die just not a good thing

What no Ogres are t4 3w hence why they don't die easily.

T3 is the average toughness in this game. You are dismissing things without even trying them, you decided you didnt want to do orcs because someone said they were bad. You dont like magic, you dont like average toughness. If you want a high toughness, hard to kill army, you want a nurgle warrior of chaos army

I completely agree with the comments. The Dwarfs fluf is great, they are still fun but you'll pretty much be sitting at the table edge hitting your enemy with your gun line. To learn the game mechanics better it would be a good idea to start an army that is involved in all phases, preferable a recently updated one, such as VC.

So just like 40K you need the newest most op army to do good

You're not really listening to what people are telling you. o.O

Yes I'm listening just seems ever one is saying use a newer army

 Evertras wrote:
You're not really listening to what people are telling you. o.O

Investigate his posting history. I initially had hopes that he'd changed...alas and alack, it was not to be.

Zilka, if you want a really good dwarf army buy heaps of slayer characters and run them at the enemy as speed bumps, followed by multiple small units of slayers. Don't invest in warmachines, they'll just misfire, and the basic antimagic of dwarfs is enough, you don't need runesmiths or anything to help it out. Just fill up on slayers, gyrocopters and slayer characters. Minimum core can be filled out with dwarf warriors with hand weapons (no shields, waste of points), which stay back guarding your deployment zone.

Zilka, please listen and listen carefully.

If you are not a tournament player, don't worry so much about having the latest and greatest army. If you like the idea of Dwarfs, then play Dwarfs. Remember you have to paint and model all of this stuff, so pick something you will enjoy, not necessarily what is the flavor of the month.

Locally dwarfs are always top 3 on the tournaments I watch. (I play 40k but learning fantasy) hell a 2000 point match I saw the guy had 5-6 cannons and Rick Rolled a DE army to tears. I was of the type to play what's current. But I learned with Tau, take your licks and have everyone say you should swap armies. But in the end I got a great dex! Too add a funny quote. "Sure games are won and lost in the magic phase, you won't have a magic to worry about." - dwarf player

I don't know why everyone bashes dwarf combat potential. Dwarfs do pretty well in the combat phase with the right units.

I watch skilled Dwarf players like our own Red Zeke win plenty of matches with a combat oriented list.

Hammerers are fantastic, GW core are nothing to laugh at, and quarrelers with GWs means they have a missle trip that also packs str 5 attacks. Sure Dwarfs are out dated and over priced, but they are still fun and can still be very competitive.