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Tim the Thief over at faeit212 wrote:GW will bring back Specialist Games gradually with beginning in the 3th Quarter 2014.
-First Game will be Epic in July or August 2014
-There will be no individual model Boxes or Blister, only Game Sets and possibly "Expansions"
-Sets remain permanent in assortment
-Epic Game Set might feature Space Marines vs. Orks, there will be Sets for Imperial Guard, Eldar and Chaos

No chance in Hell.

Damn, I would love to see Epic make a return.

It's the only GW game I still play.

I can believe it. Limiting the game to a few army sets is a lot simpler (and cheaper, presumably) than what they had before, especially if the re-launch includes moving everything to plastic. And a late-2014 release would mean the new game arrives as the last of the LOTR sales disappear, which is something GW has to be worrying about after how badly the Hobbit game failed.

Finecast.
Epic in the Finecast will be a lot easier to convert. I always wanted a proper messy 6mm miniatures. Love Nurgle.

Why is there no link to the original source this was scraped from?

Could work out if GW makes the main sets and FW makes all the additional troops/options.

Sounds like someones wishlist. They abandoned those for years and years, scrap what they had and suddenly they want to bring it back? I don't buy it (though I would buy Epic if it actually did happen).

I could see them doing an Adeptus Titanicus style one shot game, but full permanent release? Don't think so

I'd love to see the return of Epic. However, if GW provides the same support (IE: little to none) as they did when they had Specialist Games, I'm afraid I won't see anyone else garner any interest for this game. Which would be a shame as it was a fun game.

Yeah not a chance. Any re-release would require the existing models being recut (and in some cases likely completely redone) in plastic. That would require a huge investment on the part of GW in a line that wasn't exactly high selling and one that they have already shown that they have no interest in supporting. Specialist Games might have only been completely cut very recently, but they have been on life support for quite a long time - why would the game suddenly sell better with plastic versions of the same models? (and don't say price, this is GW remember)

I would purchase epic and all factions in a heartbeat. It doesn't need support if treated like a boardgame (i.e good core rules, very little tinkering but models available in expansion sets similar to Memoir44) - which is far better than the way it has been treated in the past.

Its possible but I don't count it as likely. If it does happen there is a real danger that the rules will be 'streamlined' though.


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Powerguy wrote:
That would require a huge investment on the part of GW in a line that wasn't exactly high selling and one that they have already shown that they have no interest in supporting.

I strongly suspect that it wasn't selling well because it wasn't supported. There was a time when Epic was a 'core game', and for good reason.

OK, bring on the salt!

Powerguy wrote:
Yeah not a chance. Any re-release would require the existing models being recut (and in some cases likely completely redone) in plastic. That would require a huge investment on the part of GW

While I don't believe this rumour for a second, I honestly don't think it would be too much of an expense for GW. With modern tech, they could probably fit everything that was ever released for a given faction in one Sternguard-sized kit.

The real problem would be that players would just need a handful of such boxes to have a huge army and no need to buy more.

Powerguy wrote:
Yeah not a chance. Any re-release would require the existing models being recut (and in some cases likely completely redone) in plastic. That would require a huge investment on the part of GW in a line that wasn't exactly high selling and one that they have already shown that they have no interest in supporting. Specialist Games might have only been completely cut very recently, but they have been on life support for quite a long time - why would the game suddenly sell better with plastic versions of the same models? (and don't say price, this is GW remember)

Interesting points.

I have no experience of CAD or mold making, so I apologise if this is a dumb question, but does designing things on a computer make it possible to 'shrink' existing designs down to 'epic' level? If so, then surely it would help reduce costs, and allow some of the new things in 40K make it into epic?

I, like others would love to see this happen, but doubt it will.

Are we talking about new stuff or just repackaging the (previously) existing items?

 Flood wrote:
OK, bring on the salt!

Need more than that...

You can change 3D computer models to any size you like in the computer, but they would not necessarily work as real world models. For instance, the flow of molten plastic through the moulds is governed by the resistance of the channels, which quadruples if the diameter of the channel is halved. It might be necessary to redesign part of the model to account for this kind of factor.

The original Epic models were cast in metal -- the infantry at least -- from what I remember.

Tim the Thief sure has been spilling out a lot of rumors lately.

Hard to separate what he's "piggy backed" and what he's said for the first time.

I think he's the first one I've seen that said April for Bretonnia, and May for Space Wolves. He also said a lot of specific Ork rules. I guess we'll know how accurate he is then.

I don't buy it though. Doesn't seem like something GW would do. Tim also has specific rules for a release that's at least a few months away still... that's usually a sign of made up stuff.

Models can get spoiled early, but rules rarely do until someone gets their hands on an early WD.

 Erasoketa wrote:
Are we talking about new stuff or just repackaging the (previously) existing items?

Who knows, I'd hope for new stuff.

Tyranids were non existent, Chaos had all their demon engines missing.

If you couldn't actually make a complete army, for, at least most of the factions in 40K, then why bother.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
You can change 3D computer models to any size you like in the computer, but they would not necessarily work as real world models. For instance, the flow of molten plastic through the moulds is governed by the resistance of the channels, which quadruples if the diameter of the channel is halved. It might be necessary to redesign part of the model to account for this kind of factor.

The original Epic models were cast in metal -- the infantry at least -- from what I remember.

In all versions of Epic, Infantry were mostly exclusively in plastic. Promo pieces for Adeptus Titanicus were in metal but quickly switched to plastic. Epic 4 had a smattering of metal infantry (not sure why since they had plastic counterparts). Producing a plastic Epic infantry sprue would be nothing new. It's just the sheer amount of Vehicles and number of them that would soon mount up. For example, here's an average 3000 pts IG force from Epic 4:

Regimental HQ - Supreme Commander, 12 Infantry, 7 Chimera
Tank Company - 10x Leman Russ
Super-Heavy Tank Company - 3x Baneblade
Artillery Company - 9x Basilisk
Reaver Class Titan

And that's just basics. There's so many different variants and options that would be needed that it would quickly mount up

I would love it. As someone who is right now painting up my epic models and having a great time I'd love to see the game resurge.

And while I doubt it'll happen I can see why GW would do it under the new style and how it could work. It would also be another style of gateway.

Whilst I doubt this would happen, I'd be getting into it if it did.

Even if just to play apocalypse on a normal table

The main reason I have to doubt this rumour is the apparent choice of game to bring back. Unless more mystery boxes are planned down the road to do equivalents of Necromunda and/or Mordheim without a Specialist Games tag.

Clearly one of those two makes much more sense as it allows for cross over sales into Fantasy or 40K. Epic is a much bigger risk than GW seems willing to make these days.

 zedmeister wrote:
There's so many different variants and options that would be needed that it would quickly mount up

If GW ever decided they want to revive the game without much effort, they could simply do a single faction sprue with a little bit of everything and call it a day. It would have the added benefit of forcing you to buy a feth ton of stuff you don't need to get three more LRs for your Armoured Company.

And while I understand the scepticism, GW can at times be sensible about it's products. And it's happening more often these days with supplements, digital content and increased release schedule.

I'll throw my voice into the pool of, "I don't believe this", but if somehow it came to pass, I would throw all my money at it.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I'll throw my voice into the pool of, "I don't believe this", but if somehow it came to pass, I would throw all my money at it.

I think that would be a given for many of us.

Please please let the Epic rumours be true, loved that game

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
There's so many different variants and options that would be needed that it would quickly mount up

If GW ever decided they want to revive the game without much effort, they could simply do a single faction sprue with a little bit of everything and call it a day. It would have the added benefit of forcing you to buy a feth ton of stuff you don't need to get three more LRs for your Armoured Company.

And while I understand the scepticism, GW can at times be sensible about it's products. And it's happening more often these days with supplements, digital content and increased release schedule.

Indeed, or they could go even further and as I mentioned, do an Epic Adeptus Titanicus set - Titan V Titan warfare. They'd just need plastic Imperial/Chaos Titans, Eldar Titans, Ork Gargants, Tyranid Bio-titans and finally the Necron/Tau Equivalents. That game would sell so fast the shelves would be ablaze!

I have a speculation, and it is based on the recently published book, Imperial Armor volume 3, second edition.

In the first edition, there was epic, and battlefleet gothic sections.

In the new edition, all the epic stuff is gone.

This it not a good sign for epic, in my opinion.

HOWEVER - The bfg stuff is all still in there, in fact it had been edited a bit (no new rules, just moved the text around a bit for hte stories) and includes the stories, the scenarios and tau rules.

I speculate on this that BFG could return - they bothered to reformat it, and put it in the new book.

May mean nothing...but ....