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Ahh, Tim the Thief. If you're so unreliable that even Natfka allows you to have a nickname, you know you're in trouble.

SQUATS OR GTFO

This is Games Workshop were talking about here right? IF this is true it will be in Failcast and limited release at a price point that means that average Joe Blog's cant afford it then forgotten about 6 month's down the line!

overtyrant wrote:
This is Games Workshop were talking about here right? IF this is true it will be in Failcast and limited release at a price point that means that average Joe Blog's cant afford it then forgotten about 6 month's down the line!

4/10: You almost got higher, but you failed to mention Ward or use a 'clever' nickname for a new release. Please try harder in the future.

I will try harder! Lol

Does it really matter if they "come back" when they'll likely just put them down a year or two later yet again? I guess it'll be good for fans of certain sculpts (assuming the don't get changed) to have even temporary access to them again.

I love rumors that put dates out a year + in advance, so by the time that date rolls around, nobody remembers the original rumor or who said it.

 warboss wrote:
Does it really matter if they "come back" when they'll likely just put them down a year or two later yet again?

Just curious if you read the first post:

Tim the Thief wrote:-Sets remain permanent in assortment

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 Brother SRM wrote:
I love rumors that put dates out a year + in advance, so by the time that date rolls around, nobody remembers the original rumor or who said it.

No one remembers, eh? What am I, chopped liver?

Quis custodiet ipsos auditum loquentium?

 pretre wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Does it really matter if they "come back" when they'll likely just put them down a year or two later yet again?

Just curious if you read the first post:

Tim the Thief wrote:-Sets remain permanent in assortment

I did.. but frankly the wording on that is quite clumsy. Permanently in production would be clear but "permanent in assortment" might just mean that there will be one set and nothing added later one via blisters. On top of that, it's a far off rumor and you of all people know that it should be taken with a grain of salt. The only thing we know *FOR CERTAIN* is that GW does absolutely shut down games that they deem not worth their resources/effort even if they're profitable. You'll have to excuse me if I put a bit more faith into what I know GW has done multiple times in the past.

Oh, I agree that GW is more reliable than Tim. But it is the whole idea that if you're going to talk about the rumor, you have to have a certain amount of suspension of disbelief involved. Otherwise, just throw the whole thing out and say 'this sounds nothing like GW', which, amusingly enough, is where I am at right now.

 Jayce_The_Ace wrote:

 Erasoketa wrote:
Are we talking about new stuff or just repackaging the (previously) existing items?

Who knows, I'd hope for new stuff.

Tyranids were non existent, Chaos had all their demon engines missing.

If you couldn't actually make a complete army, for, at least most of the factions in 40K, then why bother.

I had a few Tyranids for the Epic 40k edition of the latter 90's :S

Great news if true!* I mean, these games are still playable, but a new release has a wonderful way of attracting adherents to the latest shiny thing (see: Dreadball)

* The caveat being that hopefully they won't mess too much with the rules (if this is for real.. quick, everyone get writing to them that the Epic Armageddon rules are some of the best the company ever produced! )

Second caveat being that Tim the Thief isn't an anagram of Ghost21, and that all of this is just attention seeking/trolling..

This makes a certain sort of sense, Epic used to be system #3 and could be again if the Hobbit licence was reigned in but I doubt it.

Logic would also suggest that this would cannibalise Apocalypse sales; a games who's apparent popularity escapes me when you could have Epic instead!

 zedmeister wrote:
Sounds like someones wishlist. They abandoned those for years and years, scrap what they had and suddenly they want to bring it back? I don't buy it (though I would buy Epic if it actually did happen).

I'd say that, since they obviously had no intention of continuing the old SG lines (with them being metal and such), scrapping them is exactly what they'd do if they were planning a renewal. Not that I expect this to happen (let alone to be worthwhile if it does), but scrapping the old SGs wouldn't represent a sudden change of heart on the part of GW HQ.

On the plus side we can now look forward to a Mantic 6mm grimdark scifi game.

This is great news!

 notprop wrote:
Logic would also suggest that this would cannibalise Apocalypse sales; a games who's apparent popularity escapes me when you could have Epic instead!

People buy stuff for 40k anyway. Apoc is just a shortcut for those that don't want to bother with house rules and as such I doubt it's tracked as a separate line that could be cut by Epic.

I think "no way in hell" is perhaps insufficiently pessemistic, given GW's track record. I think a somewhat serious re-release of stuff, with a puzzlingly rapid fall-off in support and an ignominious death from being dropped sometime down the road is a far more likely scenario.

Not a fan of those other games myself, but for those who are, here's hoping I'm wrong and GW sees the merit in supporting games people are actually playing.

-C6

I would love for this to be true. 40k seems too small a scale to reflect the scale of the Imperial Guard (or other horde armies I guess).

I will be happier still if horde Imperial Guard is a viable play style.

They will have specialist games again just to close it down for another quick sale!

I doubt it. Epic was quite broadly featured and supported back in the day, with quite a few battle reports in White Dwarf and was considered the third core game. Good game as it was, I think sales just weren't there to justify the resouces being used and it was confined to Specialist Games.

 Erasoketa wrote:

 Jayce_The_Ace wrote:

 Erasoketa wrote:
Are we talking about new stuff or just repackaging the (previously) existing items?

Who knows, I'd hope for new stuff.

Tyranids were non existent, Chaos had all their demon engines missing.

If you couldn't actually make a complete army, for, at least most of the factions in 40K, then why bother.

I had a few Tyranids for the Epic 40k edition of the latter 90's :S

Yeah, they used to do Tyranids, but then they stopped doing them, so if you wanted them you had to hit e-bay, or trading sights - same for chaos stuff other than basic plastic troops.

 Jayce_The_Ace wrote:
Yeah, they used to do Tyranids, but then they stopped doing them, so if you wanted them you had to hit e-bay, or trading sights - same for chaos stuff other than basic plastic troops.

Oh, right, yes, there was a lot of stuff discontinued. I'm sorry, I misundertood you.

pretre wrote:Oh, I agree that GW is more reliable than Tim. But it is the whole idea that if you're going to talk about the rumor, you have to have a certain amount of suspension of disbelief involved. Otherwise, just throw the whole thing out and say 'this sounds nothing like GW', which, amusingly enough, is where I am at right now.

Sadly, I agree with the final comment you've made there. Just doesn't feel in character.

notprop wrote:On the plus side we can now look forward to a Mantic 6mm grimdark scifi game.

This is great news!

Actually.. being able to get very cheap 6mm generic sci-fi troopers would be pretty cool. There are other options (Exodus Wars springs to mind), but not that much, in the prices on ebay for some of the rarer stuff is often horrific. Funnily enough I think it would take GW to release the game for Mantic to consider producing a cheaper alternative, not sure if the sales would be there otherwise.

 Kroothawk wrote:

Tim the Thief over at faeit212 wrote:GW will bring back Specialist Games gradually with beginning in the 3th Quarter 2014.
-First Game will be Epic in July or August 2014
-There will be no individual model Boxes or Blister, only Game Sets and possibly "Expansions"
-Sets remain permanent in assortment
-Epic Game Set might feature Space Marines vs. Orks, there will be Sets for Imperial Guard, Eldar and Chaos

GW could do it. They probably saw Troublemaker Games make a go of it, and they can just reissue the old stuff. I doubt they'll make any new sprues, though. Maybe new Rhinos to match the new ones.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

Surprised someone like Fantasy Flight has not tried to scoop up Necromunda and place it in the other RPG driven games. I could see GW doing a Titan only game at some point but I would not hold my breath on that one.

I can definitely see it happening. After all, they'll need a place where they can leave Warhammer Fantasy to rot unsupported after it's lost the last of its momentum in 2015 or so.

But seriously: No salt required, I'm willing to bet this is 100% made up. We'll sooner see pigs fly than GW publishing anything on this scale without knowing first that it will perform within their desired profit margins.

There was talk a couple of years back about FW picking up Epic and releasing a revamped Titanicus game. While that never eventuated, I can really see this happening as a black box game. I would be all over it too.

Imperium vs Eldar for example. half a dozen titans on either side. Say, a Warlord, a Reaver and 4 Warhounds against a pair of Phantom titans and 4 Revenants. Throw in a handful of ruins ala the old e40k set and you'd have a great game. Release a couple of expansion boxes covering orcs and renegades/chaos and it'd sell like hot-cakes.

The best part of this is that while many want Specialist Games to return, even more never bought a single one. I own a ton of 1st/2nd edition Epic, back when I bought, it was still available in stores. A few of us played it until Epic 40k came out.

But seriously, out of the people who want it to come back, do you own any Necromunda/Inquisitor/Epic/Warmaster?

 notprop wrote:
This makes a certain sort of sense, Epic used to be system #3 and could be again if the Hobbit licence was reigned in but I doubt it.

Note the timing of this supposed new game: around the time the last Hobbit movie is released. And given that the Hobbit has been a complete failure even with the "hype" of the movies to boost sales I think even GW can figure out that there isn't much long-term potential once the movies are gone. Relaunching some of the specialist games might replace some of that lost income.

Logic would also suggest that this would cannibalise Apocalypse sales; a games who's apparent popularity escapes me when you could have Epic instead!

I doubt it. Apocalypse is all about the cool models, and you don't really get that with Epic-scale stuff.

Relapse wrote:
I doubt it. Epic was quite broadly featured and supported back in the day, with quite a few battle reports in White Dwarf and was considered the third core game. Good game as it was, I think sales just weren't there to justify the resouces being used and it was confined to Specialist Games.

But look at the rumored plan for the new Epic: single boxes for each army, probably in plastic. That means production costs are as low as possible, and GW doesn't have to deal with keeping an inventory of tons of different low-demand single models. It's exactly what I'd expect GW to do if they wanted to re-launch Epic in a more profitable form.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

But seriously, out of the people who want it to come back, do you own any Necromunda/Inquisitor/Epic/Warmaster?

Yes, yes, yes and yes. As well as Bloodbowl, Mordheim and BFG. Thing is there are alternatives now for most of them if people really wanted to play that style of game.