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When 6th edition first came out the Aegis line seemed almost an auto take for most armies as it provided a good cover save where you needed it and skyfire when very few codexes had access to it. However, it seems that with every new 6th edition codex the aegis becomes less and less worth its points given that there's now so much ignores cover weapons and access to alternative effective ways to take down flyers.

Is the aegis still worth it? I'm increasingly thinking that a bastion is a better option, as AV14 at range is still tough, and it can completely block line of sight and units can hide in it to keep them safe from riptides and the inevitable Helldrake death. How are people finding Bastions compare to the Aegis these days? Or is it better just to drop fortifications entirely in favour of more units?

I play Marines just now, but intersted in views as it applies to all armies.

Aegis is still only 50 points
My main issue with the ADL is the size of that thing.
For only a few points you can 'cover' 28" of your deployment zone!

Apart from fw where else can space marines get interceptor?

Since the new Marine codex came out I've replaced my Mortis Contemptor Dread with devastator squads and an aegis defence line, but I play Imperial Fists so not taking advantage of their chapter tactics would be silly.

Kangodo wrote:
Aegis is still only 50 points
My main issue with the ADL is the size of that thing.
For only a few points you can 'cover' 28" of your deployment zone!

Agreed its a sweet thing to have. We play apocalypse down at the store and they have a terrain generator to see what pieces of terrain you will have in each 2" by 2" of your side. The thing is rolling 1-3 on the terrain generator gives you OPEN GROUND. i.e. No cover what so ever. So I take the aegis line for that reason.

for 70 points you can get a a wall of cover wherever you want and a comms relay to reroll reserves. Worth every point IMO

OK, fair point, people are still finding the cover useful then fair enough, maybe I've been unlucky in that most recent games have been featuring drakes, tau and wave serpents.

To go back to the other point, what about the bastion as an alternative? It's not much more expensive points wise, and provides a piece of completely LOS blocking terrain as well as letting a unit hide inside and shoot out. Can also take all the same emplacements as the aegis.

Skyshield landing is dirt cheap for what it does and gives and invun save instead of cover and you can hide models under it to be totally out of LOS. Both very useful against Heldrakes and Tau.

Dundas wrote:
OK, fair point, people are still finding the cover useful then fair enough, maybe I've been unlucky in that most recent games have been featuring drakes, tau and wave serpents.

Not everything ignores cover, so its still useful for some things. You need to judge how terrain you already use in your games. If you already use a lot then drop it. If you table lacks terrain then take it.

To go back to the other point, what about the bastion as an alternative? It's not much more expensive points wise, and provides a piece of completely LOS blocking terrain as well as letting a unit hide inside and shoot out. Can also take all the same emplacements as the aegis.

Remember though that only two models per fire point can shoot out of it.

2 Models per fire point isn't too bad if it's just to keep a tactical squad safe for late game scoring. I don't have the model for a bastion but looking at the pics it seems that at least one facing has two fire points, which would mean 4 models could fire from there? Could be good for a squad of devestators, or shooty centurions.

I have a Bastion for my Sisters of Battle,I confess I am yet to use it but from what I hear they can ad to the army. Wih Sisters our 'Dev squads' can get rending through an Act of Faith Spepecial rule. HB are seen as he best usefor this and a couple if extra HB are useful from the bastion. As mention LoS blockibg terrain is also useful, but yiur not safe from heldrakes as if the template touhes a firepoint you still take hit, can't remeber how many off the top of my head but it's in the rule book. There's advantages an disadvanatges to taking it but it' s not easy to say i it' better than an ADL, i yiu've got the spare point to make the 'upgrade' in the list I'd sugget running t and seeing how you get along.

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I've been running an ADL with quad gun, and 3 5-man flakk tac squads with my Dark Angels army for a few months now and, honestly they've been pretty meh. I've had more success just going with high volume of fire, low/moderate strength weapons, *but* most of my experience has been against FMCs where a bolter is actually a viable weapon.

Ah, forgot the baledrake's torrent flamer would do bad things to the fire points of a building :(

As a Guard Player, I would rather spend 100 points on an Aegis with Quad gun then 75 points on a HWS with 3 ACs; or 75 points on a Hydra.

First of all I can get a Veteran or Ratling in Base contact with the quad-gun for 4 TL BS4 shots(as opposed to 6 BS3 shots, Or 4 TL BS3 shots).

Second is that I can shoot at both Flyers and ground targets with equal ease.

Third is that The remainder of the Aegis gives me a really good cover save.

Fourth is that I have the Interceptor option for those units that can deny my cover save too early.

My orks like it, as they have no arm\our worth speaking about, which makes cover more important.

I'm also fond of it for my Daemons.

Unit of Nurglings or Plaguebearers with a Herald, have the herald shoot the gun and LOS incoming wounds, while enjoying a refreshing 2+ cover save against most stuff. Extra points if it's plaguebearers and they are babysitting an objective.

Would you guys think a 5 man flakk dev squad with a quad gun adl would be effective at all? Letting the sgt shoot the quad gun along with the flakk devs would give some decent skyfire shots. You'd possibly some precision shots with the quad gun. Is this possibly an effective tactic for a meta that may use 0-2 flyers?

 RavenGuard55 wrote:
Would you guys think a 5 man flakk dev squad with a quad gun adl would be effective at all? Letting the sgt shoot the quad gun along with the flakk devs would give some decent skyfire shots. You'd possibly some precision shots with the quad gun. Is this possibly an effective tactic for a meta that may use 0-2 flyers?

Better to take 6 guys and let the leftover Joe man the gun so the Sergeant can use his Signum.