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So fluff wise who is more badass Mephiston or tigurius?(sorry if I misspelled that). And why do you think so

Tigurius redirected the Tyranid hive-mind.

did he? is that in the new codex?

Mephiphon for conquering the black rage twice. Nice hair too.

actually mephy lost the second time due to Malfallax, but the spear brought him (and the others) back. but doing it once is Badass enough lol

In terms of raw psychic power, I give an ever so slight edge to Varro. In terms of physical battlefield beat downs - Mephiston takes it in my book. I feel like it's not really apples to apples though in terms of a comparison. For example, what we know of Varro tends to lead towards him being the kind of psycher who uses his abilities in more subtle ways to help the over-all strategic goals of the army he's fighting with (IE redirecting the Hive Mind) whereas Mephy uses his abilities for straight up in your face ass kicking (IE that Demon Prince he beat down or the unit of Orks he massacred with his bare hands while completely naked).

this is also heavy in opinion, I went with mephy just because he DID beat down almost everything that came at him lol.

The affliction that took Mephiston in the BA Omnibus was the Red Thirst, not the Black Rage.

AFAIK Tigurius has never redirected the Hive Mind. He has penetrated the psychic defenses of the Hive Mind and survived, but I believe all he got out of that exchange was knowledge of it's next target.

Tigurius is the more powerful psyker, while Mephiston is the better warrior. So I didn't vote.

no, I just finished the book actually, it is the black rage (red thirst then malfallax died spreading that ash stuff caused him to fall into the black rage (or some form thereof) which he could not return from. once again, its not just warriorvswarrior or w.e its which do you feel is the more awesome :3

 raiden wrote:
no, I just finished the book actually, it is the black rage (red thirst then malfallax died spreading that ash stuff caused him to fall into the black rage (or some form thereof) which he could not return from. once again, its not just warriorvswarrior or w.e its which do you feel is the more awesome :3

The Red Thirst is a bloodlust while the Black Rage is a psychic affliction that makes them think they are Sanguinius. By all accounts marines who have fallen to the Black Rage can, through the psychic visions, still determine friend from foe. Marines who have fallen to the Red Thirst cannot, they are simply animals at that point. The marines who fell during the BA omnibus, Mephiston included, were attacking each other. Therefore, it was the Red Thirst and not the Black Rage. Also, there was no mention of any of them having the psychic visions that would categorize that affliction as the Black Rage.

If we're voting based on awesomeness, I'll go for Mephiston. He's killed 2 daemon princes now in single combat, one of which was by choking it to death with his bare hands.

the red thirst does not cause them to lose friend from foe recognition, by everything I have read its the opposite from what you said, the red thirst arises, increases the marines combat prowess, then abates, the black rage makes them go insane, and will eventually, cause them to attack anything that moves. reread up on that.

 raiden wrote:
the red thirst does not cause them to lose friend from foe recognition, by everything I have read its the opposite from what you said, the red thirst arises, increases the marines combat prowess, then abates, the black rage makes them go insane, and will eventually, cause them to attack anything that moves. reread up on that.

Yes it does. Every time a contingent of Blood Angels or its successors has turned on its allies after the enemy has been routed, that was the Red Thirst. Mephiston had fallen to the Red Thirst at the end of the BA Omnibus, and did not recognize Rafen as a fellow Blood Angel. He was moments away from slaying Rafen before the Spear of Telesto cleansed the thirst from him. You are right that the Red Thirst can come and go, but it can eventually take complete hold of a Blood Angel just as the Black Rage can. This is shown both in the BA codex as well as the HH novel Fear to Tread.

The marines who have fallen to the Black Rage do not see the real world, everything before them is converted to fit within the visions of Sanguinius' final moments aboard the Vengeful Spirit. Read the story of Captain Tycho's final assault after being inducted into the Death Company and you'll see what I mean.

okay so my bad, red thirst is a tad confusing as I have read somewhere (can't remember where... was probably something online) that had the black rage being the end, well both are the end, both drive you insane, eh. lol.

 raiden wrote:
okay so my bad, red thirst is a tad confusing as I have read somewhere (can't remember where... was probably something online) that had the black rage being the end, well both are the end, both drive you insane, eh. lol.

To be fair a Blood Angel could fall to both at the same time. A marine suffering from the Black Rage is just susceptible to the Red Thirst as any other Blood Angel, probably even more so. But we're knocking the thread off course so I'll end it here.