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This is in response to almost every single competitive list either doubling or spamming units. It takes a lot more thought to think of an alternative Plan B rather than just putting the same unit in twice. Maybe not as competitive but far more challenging to do. Easier at lower points of course so try at 2500pts to provide even more difficulty.
Think you're up to the challenge?
Here's the rules:

You may only take each troop option twice each, eg;
You may take 2 Necron warrior squads and/or 2 immortal squads.

Apart from the above you can take no unit twice, eg;
You can't take 2 annihilation barges.

Even if the unit has different options, eg;
You can't take a baal predator with flamestorm and a baal predator with assault cannon.

You can't take a unit twice even if it is in different catagories, eg;
Sanguinary guard in troops and elites or a tervigon in troops and hq (you can take 2 tervigons or sanguinary guard in troops though seeing as you can have 2 of a troop choice)

You can take allies.

If those allies have the same units you still can't take them twice (unless this is part of the 2x troops option) eg;
You can't take a GK stormraven and a C:SM stormraven but you can take a DA tactical squad and an ultamarine tactical squad (although you then couldn't take any more tactical squads as you've taken the two tactical squad limit.)

If it comes under different named catagories in the codex you can take the different catagories once each, eg;
A Landraider Redeemer and a Landraider crusader.

If the units come under the same force organization slot you can take them twice or more for THAT ONE SLOT,eg;
Imperial guard platoon squad with 3 infantry squads. (You could take 2 of these being troops)

If the unit is part of a squadron you can take as many as a single slot allows, eg;
3 war walkers.

You can only take one of each dedicated transport (now its getting challenging :-p)

Special characters are their own unit type, eg;
You can take Calgar and a Chapter Master and an allied in Helbrecht. Or a chaplain and chaplain grimaldus.

You can take dual force organization and therefore two allies.

You can take non-apocolypse forge world.

You can take fortifications.

Basically two of each troop type, 1 of everything else (including dedicated transport). Reason for 2 troop choices is that it would be impossible for some codex's to take dual force organization without this rule.

So think you're able to make a decent list at 2500pts without being able to use most units twice? Or is it just too hard? I wonder how a tournament would play like with these rules? I imagine totally differently. It'd make people have to think a lot more... yes it probably would lead to unbalanced lists in a spammed meta, but it would lead to exqisitly balanced lists against any other force running these rules /restrictions.
If you don't like 2500pts try 2000pts or 1850 instead.
If you don't like it at all and think its as silly as a chocolate fireguard you don't have to try. That's the fun of it - it's a challenge, and we all know in 40k you can deny challenges :-p!

How do you count dedicated transports? One of each model? or treated as part of it's parent unit? From the anti-spam vibe I'm getting, I'm assuming it's one each, so you only get one wave serpent. Just something that needs to be cleared up...

Problem is if we say parent unit you could still spam serpents. 2x dire avengers, 2 serpents, 2x guardians, 2 more serpents, 2x wraithguard troops, 2 more serpents, 1 fire dragons, 1 scorps 1 banshees etc. Serpents still become spammable. So itd havebto be 1 of each dedicated transport unfortunately.


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I'll pop my list on in a bit to get the ball rolling. Just gotta pop to shop first.

EDIT : Disregard. Didn't read the rules.

Not possible. Many armies cannot be tac lists now a days. And this would just handicap the list too much.

Come now thats not showing much tenacity! And I beg to differ. With access to 2 FOCs, 2 allies, forgeworld and 2 fortifications it broadens your options somewhat. Also bear in mind you won't be facing any serpent spams, multi rip tides/wraithkights, drop armies, sythe spam, wraith spam, helldrake spam, any flyer spam in general in fact, or even mass horde of the same unit type. On top of this your opponent will have far more infantry on the board and most units have at least a chance against most infantry. Its TAC in the sense of take all comers with the same restrictions not take all comers without the restrictions imposed by these rules.
I'll post a list I thought up when I get home.

I dont have my dex due to being ata work but im thinking
HQ: Typhus
Troops: 2x Plague marine sqaud with 7 models 2 plasma/meltas (i believe you said you can have 2 of each troop choice)
Troops: 2xChaos space marine sqauds with 10 models with las/plas
Troops: 2x zombies of 20
Fast attack: 5x Chaos spawn with nurgle
Heavy Support: Pred with all las
Heavy Support: Vindi
Heavy Support: Defiler
(i dunno how many points im at maybe 1750??)
Hmmmm
Elites: 5 man termi sqaud with reaper autocannon and combis? (they can take those right? haha)
Elites: Helbrute - Missle launcher TL las
Elites: 5 man chosen sqaud with 2 melats and 2 flamers in a rhino.
Fast Attack: Heldrake for giggles


Well it may be complete gak and random but it was a good use of my 15 minute break id actually like to play this espically since most of my lists rely on spamming havocs and plagues.

Orks cant do it ):


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Nvm didnt see forgeworld

Orks can with normal dex just alot harder haha
30 ork boy mobs x 2 30 gretchin mobs x 2 Battlewagon burny wagon of doom Looted wagon 3 Killa kans Deftkoptas x 5 mob of stormboys w.e full is 30? or 20? put them with vagstruk for gaks. 15 man kommando sqaud with snikrot for giggles. Big mek KFF and Warboss with biker nobs i know you can fit alot of stuff in 2500 with orksies. i kinda like this list tbh

I don't know - i think it'd do the list I had in mind due the sheer amount of hard as nails models. If not you'd probably outscore me. And you're only saying gak because you're thinking how it would do against a list without these restrictions I assume? Pretty good for off the top of your head without a dex handy!

So heres my list:
Iron hands CT. (IWND on vehicles and characters, 6+ fnp on infantry)

Hq
Chap master
Shield eternal, artificier armour, power fist.
Rides in spartan

Honour guard
5 man, chapter standard.
Rides in spartan

Troops
10 scouts
5 with sniper, 5 with bp & ccw
Combat squads, bp & ccw rides in raven for late scoring

10 scouts
5 with sniper, 5 with bolter
Combat squads

Fast attack
5 bikes
2 grav, combi-grav

Storm talon
Skyhammer

Heavy support
Stormraven
Assault cannon, multi melta

Spartan assault tank
Ceremite plating

Allies
Blood Angels

Hq
Dante

Elites
Sanguinary priest (with dante bomb)
Jp

Trooos
Sanguinary guard (dante bomb for AT)
2 infernus, powerfist

10 Death co (turn 1 AT pod)
Bolters, 2 infernus, powerfist
Pod

Fast attack
Baal (outflanks or maybe scouts if i get 1st turn)
Flamestorm, Heavy flamer side sponsoons

Heavy support
Vindicator (36" threat)

Total: 2500pts

So you would massively outnumber me lol!


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That ork list looks very nice too!

This is a really good idea. I will have a think....

Thanks. Makes people think outside the usual box!

Farsight Enclave

Farsight

O'Vesa

Riptide HBC TLFB Talisman VT, Target Lock

3x Burst Crisis Suits with Gun Drones
3x Missile Crisis Suits with Marker Drones
Kroot
Kroot

Allied Tau
Buffmaster(Iridium, Stim, Shield, Retro Thruster, PEN, C&CN, MSS, Onager, NSJ)
Firewarriors x6
Firewarriors x6

Pathfinders

Broadsidesx3 HYMP Missile Drones


Allied Eldar
Spiritseer
Wraithguard
Wraithscythes in Serpent
Wraithknight


A bit over on points, but that is the general direction.

Wow that's nasty!

Poly Ranger wrote:
Wow that's nasty!

Lol, I thought so!

When it said Tac tourneys list, i didnt know the restrictions were also for your opponent.

Chaos Daemons

FateWeaver
Herald on Disc Lv 3 Exalted Locus

Plaguebearers
Plaguebearers
Pink Horrors
Pink Horrors
Daemonettes
Daemonettes

15x Flesh Hounds
9x Screamers

Daemon Prince Lv3 wings tzeentch armor greaterx2 lesserx2
Soul Grinder

Chaos Marines Allies
Daemon Prince Lv3 wings, armor, black mace

Cultist x20
Cultist x20

Defiler

Heldrake
Aegis. Comms Relay

I took advantage of the 2 troops thing but it was still Pretty challenging and I don't know how this list would do. I kinda want to talk to my local TO and see if we can get something like this run for next year. (Mind you I don't own half of these yet because I just started playing like a month or 2 ago)

HQ
Rune Priest - Runic Armour, Master of Runes - 170pts

Logan Grimnar, The Great Wolf - 275pts ( Join Wolf Guard in the Land Raider Crusader)

Canis Wolfborn - 185pts

Elites
Lone Wolf - Power Weapon, Storm Shield, Melta Bombs, Fenrisian Wolf, Fenrisian Wolf, Mark of the Wulfen - 110pts

Troops
4 Terminator Wolf Guard - Dual Wolf Claws, 1 Terminator Wolf Guard - Power Weapon, Storm Shield, Mark of the Wulfen - 535pts
(^Transport - Land Raider Crusader - Storm Bolter, Hunter-killer Missle, Multi-melta^)

5 Terminator Wolf Guard - Power Weapon, Storm Bolter, Cyclone Missle Launcher - 195pts

10 Grey Hunters - Mark of the Wulfen, Plasmagun, Plasmagun, Wolf Standard - 230pts
(^Transport - Rhino - Hunter-killer Missle^)

10 Grey Hunters - Mark of the Wulfen, Plasmagun, Plasmagun, Wolf Standard - 185pts

10 Blood Claws- Meltagun - 190pts
(^Transport - Drop Pod^)

15 Fenrisian Wolves - 120pts

15 Fenrisian Wolves - 120pts

Heavy Support
1 Long Fangs Squad Leader - Plasmagun, 2 Long Fangs - Lascannon, 3 Long Fangs - Missle Launcher - 185pts

Yeh sorry, I suppose I didn't make that clear. Nice lists guys! I think mine is looking the weakest as of yet.

2500 point Orks Codex Single FOC
HQ
Wazdakka
Elite
5 Nobz/Biker,2PK,2BC,PB,WB,BP(Cyb)
15 Tankbustas/Nob,Eavy,BP
Troops
20 Shoota Boyz/Nob,Bc,BS,BP
20 Shoota Boyz/Nob,Bc,BS,BP
9 WarBikers/Nob,PK,BP
9 WarBikers/Nob,PK,BP
10 Grots RuntHerd + GP
10 Grots RuntHerd + GP
Heavy
3 Big Gunz Kannon,5 extra Grots, RH+GP
Looted Wagon,BoomGun, Ard Case,RAM,RPJ
Battle Wagon,Deffrolla,3BS,GR (Tankbustas)
Fast
5 Deffkoptas TL-RKT
Dakkajet EXt TL-SS
3 Warbuggies/TL-BS

This is the current chaos list i usually run, didn't even realise i don't have the same unit twice.

I think its 2000 tho, so if i was to bump it i would add 15 seekers, and maybe a forgefiend or maulerfiend. Bit light on troops but i have never found that to be a problem. Plus its a heaps fun list to play and i recon its pretty competitive.

HQ
1 Chaos Juggerlord, axe of blinding fury, sigil, gift
1 Huron Blackheart

Troops
20 CSM 2 Melta guns (escort huron)
10 Cultists

Heavy
8 Havocs, 4 ACs
3 Oblits of nurgle

Fast
4 Nurgle Bikers 2 meltas
5 Spawn (escort juggerlord)
1 Heldrake (baleflamer)

Daemon Allies
HQ
Lord of Change, 2 greater gits, 1 lesser, ML3

20 Daemonettes

OH YES! THIS IS WHEN WARHAMMER BECOMES FUN!

^^^ nice ork list. Very fast consideringthe transport restrictions.

^^ i like it. hows your chaos list usually fare in the normal meta? In other words, is it possible to have these restrictions and still be competitive in normal games?

^ that was the general idea :-). Plus hardly any list will be that similar... well - compared to the normal game.

 Guitarquero wrote:
Orks can with normal dex just alot harder haha
30 ork boy mobs x 2 30 gretchin mobs x 2 Battlewagon burny wagon of doom Looted wagon 3 Killa kans Deftkoptas x 5 mob of stormboys w.e full is 30? or 20? put them with vagstruk for gaks. 15 man kommando sqaud with snikrot for giggles. Big mek KFF and Warboss with biker nobs i know you can fit alot of stuff in 2500 with orksies. i kinda like this list tbh

No unit twice!

Eldar/DE


Baron
4x trueborn with blasters venom with trophies and splinter cannon.
5x warriors with raider flickerfield and trophies
Beastmasters x5 power weapon
3x khymerae pack of 5
2x razorwing flock of 2


Farseer- Jetbike Shard of Anaris
Spiritseer
Wraithguard d-scythe wave serpent holo, TL-SL, Cannon
9x jetbikes 3x cannon
9x jetbikes 3x cannon
10x Warp spiders exarch fast shot spinneret rifle
Nightspinner holo
3x war walker scatter laser
Wraithknight scatter laster suncannon and scattershield

2500 points

Awesome thread. A really excellent idea.

Necrons

Zandrekh
Royal court
Veiltek
Despairtek
2x Lancetek
1x Lightningtek

Imotekh
Royal court
Veiltek
Despairtek
1x Lightningtek

5x Deathmarks (Night Scythe, 2 Despairteks)

20 Necron Warriors (Imotekh)
20 Necron Warriors (Zandrekh)
Ghost Ark (2 lanceteks here)
10 Gauss Immortals (Veiltek, LightningTek)
10 Tesla Immortals (Veiltek, LightningTek)

6 Wraiths (3 coils)
6 Scarabs

3 Spyders (1xFabricator, 1xPrism)
Annihilation Barge

2495 points.

Draigo

10 Paladins, 4 Psycannons, Banner, Apoc
10 Paladins, 4 Psycannons, Banner, Apoc
(Assuming that 2 of these are legit now that they're Troops thanks to Old Man Draigo)

10 GK Terminators, 2 Psycannons, Psybolt Ammo
5 GK Terminators, Psycannon, Psybolt Ammo.

2500 on the nose.

Okay, so it misses the whole point of the exercise, but it did only take me 5 minutes to put together. I'll have another think and see if I can do better...

 phatonic wrote:

 Guitarquero wrote:
Orks can with normal dex just alot harder haha
30 ork boy mobs x 2 30 gretchin mobs x 2 Battlewagon burny wagon of doom Looted wagon 3 Killa kans Deftkoptas x 5 mob of stormboys w.e full is 30? or 20? put them with vagstruk for gaks. 15 man kommando sqaud with snikrot for giggles. Big mek KFF and Warboss with biker nobs i know you can fit alot of stuff in 2500 with orksies. i kinda like this list tbh

No unit twice!

I think you can use the same troop twice?

Farsight Enclave 2500

------HQ------
Crisis Commander - 152
Missle Pod
Missle Pod
Drone Controller
Target Lock
Marker Drone

Crisis Body Guards(2)- 186
Missle Pod
Missle Pod
Target Lock
Bonding
Marker Drone x 2

Ethereal - 50


---ELITES----
RIPTIDE - 260
ECPA
SMD

-----Fast Attack----
PathFinders(10) - 135
Shas'ui
BSF
Bonding

---Troops---
Crisis Team x 3 --- 231
Plasma Rifle
Plasma Rifle
Gun Drone x 2
Bonding

Crisis Team x 3 --- 231
Plasma Rifle
Plasma Rifle
Gun Drone x 2
Bonding

Fire Warriors(12) - 120
Bonding

Fire Warriors(12) - 120
Bonding

Kroot - 160
20 Warriors
8 Hounds

Kroot - 165
20 Warriors
9 Hounds


----Heavy Support----
Broaside Team(3)- 273
EWO
Missle Drones (5)

Sniper Drone Team - 174
3 Fire Sight marksman
9 Drones

Hammer Head - 190
Longstrike
Sub Munition
Disruption Pod

---Fortifications---
Agis defence line - 50


Total is: 2497

Grey Knights

GK Grand Master (OSR, Psychotroke, Rad, 3xskulls)
Coteaz

10xPaladins (4xPsycannon, Apothecary, 1 halberd, 2 Hammer, Stave, Brotherhood banner, Psybolt)

10xGKSS (2x Psycannon, Hammer, Halberd on Justicar, Psybolt)
10xGKSS (2x Psycannon, Hammer, Halberd on Justicar, Psybolt)
Henchmen warband (3xCrusader,8xAcolyte (5 Stormbolter, 3 plasma, 4xMelta bombs))

10xInterceptors (2xFlamer, halberd on justicar, 2 hammers, psybolt)

Dreadknight (Incinerator, Greatsword, Personal teleporter)

ADL, Quad Cannon

(2497)

Or BA

----HQ---
Dante -- 225

---Elites---
Saguinary Priest x 2 -- 210
Infernous Pistol
PW
JP

Saguinary Priest x 1 - 85 (same choices at the above priests)
Terminator Amour

Terminator Assualt Squad - 425
5 x TH/SS
5 x Lightning Claws

---Troops---
Assualt Squad (10) - 245
Melta Gun
Melta Gun
SGT w/ PW/SS

Assualt Squad (10) - 245
Melta Gun
Melta Gun
SGT w/ PW/SS


Sanguinary Gaurd - 250
Chapter Banner
Infernous Pistol x 2
5 x Glaive

Sanguinary Gaurd - 230
Power Fist
Infernous Pistol x 2
4 x Glaive

----Fast Attack----
Vet Vanguard Squad - 580
2 x bolt pistol
2 x chain sword
8 x SS
8 x PW