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So for my Guardians of the Covenant White scars, I'm wondering what kind of allies would be best. I already tried DA, but aside from a librarian on a bike providing only one squad a buff, they don't do a lot. Even the Darkshroud just strait up dies sometimes even with a 2+ cover save!

So, for around 270pts, i was thinking of trying out different allies. Made some ideas for a list

DA original allies:



SW ideal allies:




BA ideal allies:


so what do you think?

If you ally with BA, consider Mephiston as a boogey man for enemy troops.

There was a thread in the army list section here.

I really liked it, and think it could be really effective. You might want to look into it

Personally, I like the idea of DA allies.

A divination Libby with PFG can help add punch and a little survivability as well as fearless to a grav command squad. However, my favorite part may be using the Libby to unlock a ravenwing command squad to accompany either a tooled up combat character or khan (should you decide to go that route). Unfortunately a chapter master sounds ideal, but then we would lose access to the command squad. Skilled rider would stack with the white scars chapter tactics to give a +2 to jink for whichever character accompanies them. This could be impressive if you manage to have a dark shroud that can survive nearby, but as you mention in your post that is kind of a stretch. Additionally this melee character would gain scout even without khan.

Another possibility would be to use ravenwing as your main force with samael and white scars as allies. This, however, seems slightly less optimal, because you lose out on some options like khan as a warlord, multiple stormtalons, and multiple thunderfire cannons. The benefit however could be adding samael and his skilled rider and scout to a grav command squad. Additionally, having scoring attack bikes combat squad off could be seen as useful.

There seem to be a lot of interesting possibilities and I guess only time will tell what tends to work or fail. I'd be interested to hear from anyone with more experience playing these so far.

The one problem I have with allying Libbies from SW and BA is the 5th edition tax you pay for them.

I mean, the base libby costs 35 more, the epistolary costs 60 more, and the bike costs 15 more. Basically, an epistolary on a bike in 5th was gonna set you back nearly 200 points, while doing that in 6th is just north of 100.

For that reason, I'd probably stick with DA, just to avoid paying so much extra.

Troops wise, a tactical squad with a special and combi-special aren't bad in a DP. If it's just a 5 man squad, the cost isn't bad, but with two special weapons you've got a good chance to put out some serious damage on something.

Scouts with snipers work well too, their ability to pin is useful, and rending means they might get lucky against MCs now and then. The big thing with scouts for bikers is that they can potentially pin things shooting at your bikers, while your bikers are making their way towards their opponent.

I'd probably avoid the darkshroud, like you said. Pretty much all the DA flying stuff dies quickly to anyone with any serious preparedness.

I have to say, the more I think about SW, the more i like it.

is it true you can take two per HQ slot?

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
I have to say, the more I think about SW, the more i like it.

is it true you can take two per HQ slot?

Yes. You can, and in a primary detachment you can have up to 4, which is pretty sweet.

I'm wondering if they'll keep that in the 6th ed. codex. Cheaper HQs+being able to take 4 per slot = awesome HQ centric lists.

I found the same thing about the Darkshroud. If it gets to move then it is fine with its 2+ cover, but then when it doesn't and you go second it doesn't survive first contact. Not sure if I'll keep DA allies just for something that works only half of the time, as I am really tempted by the Jaws/Grav combo.

So tried out my allies of 2 Rune priests, one with divination and the other with JoWW and living lightning.

The jaw priest killed two nobs off a squad that was threatening my flank, and the combined fire made them flee off the board. also he glanced a truck and killed it.


I liked this combo a lot. Particularly with JoWW.

Also, does a runepriest have to take two powers from the rulebook?

Also, does the counter attack thing work if they joined a biker squad?

I am really liking the RW command squad with a EW SS/TH Chapter Master to tank wounds for the unit. They give a great deal of punch and plasma for a relatively low price + grenade shenanigans.

The libby with PFG is useful but I would think about giving him an auspex to reduce the cover save of the unit the grav guns will eliminate by -1.

I personally like to start an ADL in the midfield to give my bikers a 4+ cover save against alpha strikes. If you put a quadd gun on it you could plop the TAC marines (have to move them up to it) or (better) a scout squad behind it.

I like that chapter master set up too. However he does come with a drawback as I have to question how you are unlocking the grav command aquad to put the auspex PFG libby into? Seems a little steep to be paying for a total of 3 HQ's & 2 command squads in a single list especially since the chapter master is quite expensive enough to begin with.

Well, I'd take the DA detachment. A Darkshroud provides great synergy.