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I have taken D-Scythes in every Iyanden list so far, but I have to question wether they are worth the points! They are obviously a pretty costly upgrade, and you near enough have to take a wave serpent with them to make best use of them. Considering the primary un upgraded weapon is a strength 10 ap 2 Cannon, I debate the need to upgrade them, they're range is dreadful!

Also, if I have a serpent in the list already, with 10 dire avengers in, a wraithlord with two scatter lasers, and some wraithblades, I think I'm pretty covered for anti infantry....so are they filling a gap I don't have?

My wife used them for about 5 games when the new codex came out, and I found them far less terrifying than the MUCH cheaper stock D weapon...its way worse having ten of those stock wraithguard walking the field nowadays. : /

It seems you would be in a good position to answer that question. How many times in your games have you wished you had a D cannon instead? It seems to me that taking away cover saves is pretty important in 6th edition and on an ap2 weapon it is even more so, but I am not an eldar player so I can't really say for sure about the scythe. I do know it is a good way of protecting yourself from being charges. 10D3 autohits wounding on a two and ap2 seems legit. Objective secured.

They don't wound on 2's though, they're only strength 4!

The kicker is in the overwatch though. With Scythes very few things will charge your Wraithguard, which is their biggest weakest normally.

I once had 5 Wraithscythes kill 20 guardians, their weapons platform, warlock, and Farseer in one turn of shooting.

If they are in a serpent they are a very viable threat. I know when I have fielded them my opponents quickly learned to target them immediately. I've had them be more effective than my Wraithguard.

I believe having a mix of Wraithguard and Wraithscythes is crucial.

P.S. Did I forget to mention ID Overwatch?

Ok, I have 3 squads of foot wraiths. Currently 2 with cannons and one with axes, the axes are my farseers personal bodyguard. So, do I keep the 10 cannons (considering I have 4 scatter lasers and 10 avengers for infantry control) or do I drop 5 avengers and take scythes on a squad of wraiths? I only have 1 serpent and that belongs to the avengers for my objective grabbers!

It entirely depends on what you want to do with them. I'm going split the field into two catagories. T8 and Vehicles or pretty much anything else.

For T4 infantry, a Wraithguard wounds 55% of the time, and a Scythe wounds 50%. However, scythes can throw out far more wounds because they each hit about 3 people. This is a clear winner for infantry. Against most monstrous creatures, you only wound on a 6. However, the 6 is really the only thing you care about. Its not as ideal, but you will still get a decent result. You have about a 60% chance of rolling 1 6 from a unit of scythes. Which probably has a 66% chance of outright killing that Riptide or Daemon. Not too shabby!

If you need them to double as anti-vehicle, they need their cannons. If you are using a Knight, the wraithcannons probably aren't worth it. If you have a unit of firedragons, its almost certainly not worth it.

In all cases, yes, mount them. They have an 8 to 12" range, the NEED mobility. Iyanden seers might help a little, but I highly recommend a serpent.


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Also, Khaine, I'd seriously consider pulling at least one scatter laser off your Lord. 2 Bright Lances or 2 Starcannons will serve much better unless you face only things like Orcs and Nids. Even then, BLs or SCs will do really well for MC hunting or Anti-Vehicle.

Im a fan of both, i think the dscythes are better in serpents as you can help augment thier range deficincy with it.

In my wraith list i do one 10 foot squad with cannons and 2 5 squads with sythes in serpents.

The worth of a D-Scythe is entirely subjective to the type of list. If you run them forward alone with no other threats for the opponent to deal with they will have little positive impact on the game. If you run 2x D-Scythe in serpents with the works they will get where they are needed and kill something important.

On that note I would not run more than 2 and they tend to sync well with a wraithknight to run forward with them and provide some anti armour.

in a word, yes. You have plenty of D-Cannon on your Wraithknights already.

I most definitely don't need them for tank hunters, I have at least 5 foot-guard with cannons, a knight, and three lords for hunting tanks. I'm looking at reducing big numbers effectiveness against me. I currently run 15 Cannon guard, 5 scythes in a serpent, and 5 blades along with the afore mentioned MC's. I could drop 5 guard, and an upgrade from my Farseer and purchase a second wave serpent, with the points saved I could also upgrade a second squad of 5 to scythes. It would give me 10 scythes in 2 serpents. 5 cannons and 5 blades, along with my 4 MC's

One thing I think is both stupid and funny.

The fact how people seem to have problem with the range when it's only 3'' shorter than the stock option.
If I have spare my points go for the Scythes.
- Overwatch
- I love template-weapons with their auto-hitting
- Ingore Cover + AP2 = sweetness

Sweet. I have thrown a unit in with a serpent. Going to run just the one right now and see what happens.

 soomemafia wrote:
One thing I think is both stupid and funny.

The fact how people seem to have problem with the range when it's only 3'' shorter than the stock option.

This. If a Wave Serpent is even an option, why are you *not* putting your standard D-cannons in them?! It shouldn't be an issue.
And with that said, that makes the Scythe much more versatile all round than the D-cannon. Sure there are specific units they're better against, but for the majority of enemies (and for preventing charges), the Scythes are a no-brainer.

 Iechine wrote:
My wife used them for about 5 games when the new codex came out, and I found them far less terrifying than the MUCH cheaper stock D weapon...its way worse having ten of those stock wraithguard walking the field nowadays. : /

what do you run?

if its anything MeQ or TeQ she was runnign them wrong for them not to be efective.

if i know im facing marines, i run d scythe every time.

i kill a whole squad per turn. every turn they live, another marine squad dies. without a single survor. wither termies, or tacs, wther 10 man or 5 man, thy die.
wraithcanns cant do that,.

They have been epic for me too so far, killed 7 death company with jump packs, and astorath in one turn of shooting..... Think that made their points back!

That was 5 scythes by the way!