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Made in ca
Sister Vastly Superior





Situation.

My general's unit got in contact with an opponent's units.

His character challenged my general and I accepted. A dwarf lord decked defensively against my defensive bretonnian lord... so basically a huge pillow fight between those two.

Now a situation arose where I completely wiped out the unit the dwarf lord was in. That left only the lord stuck in a duel with my own lord. His lord had the crown of command however so manage to pass his leadership check.

On subsequent rounds of combat I was told that since we only had a duel left, there was no more break tests being done by either sides.

I was severely beating that lord through combat res (ranks, banner, bsb in unit) and even tho neither of us were wounding each other, I should have won those fights. While he was stubborn, he could still have broken and been run down if my understanding is sound.

I was told that duels were done different however and break tests, once there was no unit involved, did not happen which basically got my unit stuck against that dwarf lord for the entire game effectively taking it out of the fight.

I looked through the challenge and combat rules and cannot find anything to indicate the above right.

Was this properly played? If so, page references in the rulebook would be appreciated.

18 / 3 / 6 since 6th ed. 
   
Made in us
Confessor Of Sins




WA, USA

You were told incorrectly. Even if it is the only model in a challenge, it can still be beaten through combat resolution.

 Ouze wrote:

Afterward, Curran killed a guy in the parking lot with a trident.
 
   
Made in ie
Sniping Hexa




Dublin

As curran says
normal combat res still applies

 
   
Made in us
Bloodthirsty Chaos Knight





Las Vegas

There is no page number to point you to, as it doesn't address this explicitly anywhere. However, you can ask for a page number from your opponent who told you this, as there shouldn't be one.

The closest thing that the rules say about this is on page 103, "If both competitors survive a challenge, and the combat continues, then they will continue to fight in the next round of close combat." Emphasis mine.

   
Made in us
Impassive Inquisitorial Interrogator





Florida, USA

I'd also like to point out this combat res is the most solid way to kill the 3++ Third EyeTzeench WoC monster. So yes he still has to check but on a stubborn 10... Eh.

You don't see da eyes of da Daemon, till him come callin'
- King Willy - Predator 2 
   
Made in gb
Bloodthirsty Chaos Knight



Edinburgh, Scotland

Also, lone characters are a unit, so all rules for units losing combat apply.

Nite 
   
Made in im
Long-Range Land Speeder Pilot





worth pointing out that once you kill the 'unit' that his dwarf is attached to that surrounding units require a panic test for a unit being destroyed.

this is in the BRB FAQ section. (cat remember exactly where)
   
Made in us
Longtime Dakkanaut




Won't he be immune to panic since he is combat?
   
Made in gb
Bloodthirsty Chaos Knight



Edinburgh, Scotland

He will, but nearby units won't be. Not really sure why the comment was posted tbh, but I suppose if your opponent is shaky on break tests, they might be shaky on panic too.

Nite 
   
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Long-Range Land Speeder Pilot





Niteware wrote:
if your opponent is shaky on break tests, they might be shaky on panic too.


this really, figured its worth a mention as its an easy one to miss and is somewhat related
   
Made in gb
Gor with Big Horns



Sinnoh

I am in agreement to the rest, the usual rules still apply - so break tests etc

And also
Voldrak wrote:

... A dwarf lord decked defensively against my defensive bretonnian lord...
.... His lord had the crown of command....

Dwarf characters can't take the BRB magic items, so the Crown of Command is unavailable to him.
And to my knowledge there is not a rune granting stubborn to a Dwarf Character. Even if they have it in all the fluff.

So politely make them check their rules, if you play them again.
   
Made in gb
Bloodthirsty Chaos Knight



Edinburgh, Scotland

MeanGreen wrote:
I am in agreement to the rest, the usual rules still apply - so break tests etc

And also
Voldrak wrote:

... A dwarf lord decked defensively against my defensive bretonnian lord...
.... His lord had the crown of command....

Dwarf characters can't take the BRB magic items, so the Crown of Command is unavailable to him.
And to my knowledge there is not a rune granting stubborn to a Dwarf Character. Even if they have it in all the fluff.

So politely make them check their rules, if you play them again.

Good point.

Nite 
   
 
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