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Anonymous source on Faeit 212 wrote:Triumph and Treachery is an expansion that allows 3 or more players to battle upon the tabletop....... and in the end, there can be only one.

Its a hardcover expansion book, that comes with a deck of 36 game cards, 5 player turn cards, a pouch of game victory coins, a book with galleries, new artwork, examples of battles, and the rules for playing Triumph and Treachery with 3-5 players.

The cover of the book is a Dwarf fighting a Chaos Warrior in combat, with a Dark Elf Assassin sneaking in behind.

Edit: It is now official:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440004a&prodId=prod2250034a

Games Workshop wrote:Triumph and Treachery is a Warhammer supplement which features rules for playing 3, 4, or even 5 player games of Warhammer. It's a totally new way to play, allowing you and your friends to bribe your enemies, hire mercenaries to bolster your armies and carry out all manner of underhand tactics. Anything goes in the quest to win the war!

This 96-page, full-colour, hardback book includes:

- A history of the underhand tactics employed by devious generals to defeat multiple opponents.
- Full rules for playing multiplayer games of Warhammer.
- 3 new Triumph and Treachery scenarios.
- 3 historical scenarios featuring the background to the battle; an overview of each army; scenario rules; and an order of battle showcasing the miniatures used on each side.
- A showcase of expertly painted Citadel miniatures.

Also included is a deck of 36 beautifully illustrated Treachery cards that allow you to employ all sorts of nefarious bribes and ploys in your games. There are also 5 player turn cards.

As well as this there is a drawstring bag containing victory tokens. These provide a handy method of keeping track of each player's victory points throughout the game (and can also be used for other things, such as bribing an opponent or hiring mercenaries).

All of this is presented in a slipcase to keep the book, cards, and victory tokens together.

You will need a copy of the Warhammer rulebook and relevant army books in order to use the contents of this book.

Seems like a odd thing to get a full hardcover release. I would think it would be better suited for WD. A few pages of rules, some fluff, and a decent battle-report.

But then who am I to question the fickle moods and whims of GW?

Yeah, that's how Blood in the Badlands was, too. A nice book, actually... but just not much rules content.

 Ma55ter_fett wrote:
I would think it would be better suited for WD. A few pages of rules, some fluff, and a decent battle-report.

You know GW policy: Strictly no content in WD! Any content goes to GW digital for a costy download ... or will become a limited hardcover release ... always in English only of course.

So, basically, Ultimate Dreadball for warhammer fantasy?

Just a bump on this thread so the guy with the WD can drop some details in......

You could have just PM'd him.

It'd be better to have it posted for all to see, I think

Finally found this thread, thanks for bumping it!

I'll get a pic of the cover later when I have a camera.

In list making, you gain an extra 100pts for every 500pts in their force. These extra points can be used to buy mercenary units in list making, or save them to gain some early coins.

These mercenaries can come from any other army book (no matter if they are Order, Destruction or Neutral) and s far as I can tell, the only compulsory choice is a Hero or Lord.

Mercenaries can be bribed by other players ingame (not quite sure how it works, though I'd assume you'd have to spend a number of coin equal to the unit's points cost) so aren't always reliable.

There are 4 types of coin.
- Brass is the lowest (worth 50)
- Then Silver
- Then Gold
- Finally, a Gold Bar is the highest in worth.

Only know how much the Brass is worth as it's mentioned in the battle report.

These coins are used for a variety of things. They are how you win (Person with the most money wins), to bribe mercenaries or to use treachery cards (I believe, some cards may be free to use).

There are 36 cards in total

Examples include:
- Bribe (Costs 3 Brass, stops an enemy unit from shooting)
- Sorcerous Aid (you Have to be a Neutral Player. When a wizard fails a casting attempt, they instead succeed with Irresistible Force and suffer the effects of Broken Concentration and (I THINK it's and) a Miscast
- Clandstine Aid (Neutral Player. When a combat is drawn within 12" of any of your units, you may choose one side to win the combat by one BEFORE musicians)
- Surprise Attack (One of your units gain +D3 movement for that movement phase)
- Oil Slick (Choose a combat within 12" of one of your units. Everyone in that combat must re-roll to-hit rolls)

A Neutral Player is one who has not chosen one of sides to be his enemy.

At the start of each turn, you choose 1 player to be your enemy, you can only act against that player only (unless you have a treachery card this is 'Neutral Only')

You score victory tokens (money) at the end of each turn. Any Victory points you've won the turn are converted into victory tokens. You also gain bonus tokens for killing Generals, BSBs and a bonus 50 tokens whenever you win a combat.


Also, apparently you can use tokens to bribe other players, too (unless they were referring to the Bribe card and the ability to bribe mercenaries... not too sure whether they meant you can literally bribe other people)

All form me for now, I'll keep scouring WD to see if I missed anything

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
In list making, you gain an extra 100pts for every 500pts in their force. These extra points can be used to buy mercenary units in list making, or save them to gain some early coins.

These mercenaries can come from any other army book (no matter if they are Order, Destruction or Neutral) and s far as I can tell, the only compulsory choice is a Hero or Lord.

Well, I had predicted that GW would try to apply the "allies" mentality to fantasy, trying to get people to buy models from other armies, but this is a lot sooner than I had expected! Maybe a trial run for something they'll try out in 9th edition?

Doesn't sound all that well thought out, to me... I'm open to "allies" in fantasy, but this sounds a little silly.

Thanks for looking it up for us, Kingsley

 RiTides wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
In list making, you gain an extra 100pts for every 500pts in their force. These extra points can be used to buy mercenary units in list making, or save them to gain some early coins.

These mercenaries can come from any other army book (no matter if they are Order, Destruction or Neutral) and s far as I can tell, the only compulsory choice is a Hero or Lord.

Well, I had predicted that GW would try to apply the "allies" mentality to fantasy, trying to get people to buy models from other armies, but this is a lot sooner than I had expected! Maybe a trial run for something they'll try out in 9th edition?

Doesn't sound all that well thought out, to me... I'm open to "allies" in fantasy, but this sounds a little silly.

Thanks for looking it up for us, Kingsley

The "Regiments of Renown" rules actually segway into Allies nicely, with you being able to essentially turn your "leader" for your Regiment into a unique character with the "Dog of War" rule--allowing you to ally in a small number of units from another army book into the army book you originally picked from.

 RiTides wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
In list making, you gain an extra 100pts for every 500pts in their force. These extra points can be used to buy mercenary units in list making, or save them to gain some early coins.

These mercenaries can come from any other army book (no matter if they are Order, Destruction or Neutral) and s far as I can tell, the only compulsory choice is a Hero or Lord.

Well, I had predicted that GW would try to apply the "allies" mentality to fantasy, trying to get people to buy models from other armies, but this is a lot sooner than I had expected! Maybe a trial run for something they'll try out in 9th edition?

I don't think you're due much credit for prediction what...everyone else was predicting for WFB!

Seems like an awfully lot of messing around just to get some allies! I predict this will be used once or twice as it will add more time and rules to a game that already takes to long and has to many rules.

I'm guessing it will cost people £30.00 or £40.00 just to include these allies as well!

Cost $140AUD, so around there most likely.

Also, a tad bit more of Tokens

Tokens are rounded down to the nearest 50 (makes sense seeming he lowest value coin is 50) and you CAN bribe other players with tokens, or pay them to do something you, like killing off a particularly annoying unit in another opponent's army.
In fact, you can give tokens away for no reason (which is a stupid thing to do)

 Alpharius wrote:

 RiTides wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
In list making, you gain an extra 100pts for every 500pts in their force. These extra points can be used to buy mercenary units in list making, or save them to gain some early coins.

These mercenaries can come from any other army book (no matter if they are Order, Destruction or Neutral) and s far as I can tell, the only compulsory choice is a Hero or Lord.

Well, I had predicted that GW would try to apply the "allies" mentality to fantasy, trying to get people to buy models from other armies, but this is a lot sooner than I had expected! Maybe a trial run for something they'll try out in 9th edition?

I don't think you're due much credit for prediction what...everyone else was predicting for WFB!

Hey, I'll take what I can get

This is actually really smart, though. A nice way to try it out and see if it works before 9th edition. I even have models to use as chaos knights with my chaos dwarfs in anticipation although who knows if CD will get included. It'd be cool, but I'm not holding my breath. Still might pick this up, we'll see!

Just for the record: Release is 2nd November, that's next week.
And it is 65 €.

I think it will be an interesting supplement. Very strong ties to the old card system in Blood Bowl,but I am a fan of Storm of Magic,and Blood in the Badlands so I think I'll be getting this as well.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Just for the record: Release is 2nd November, that's next week.
And it is 65 €.

Wow . That's a lot more than Blood in the Badlands was, right? That feels like main rulebook cost.

The "treachery box" includes rules and stats for Dogs of War, 6 new scenarios and multiplayer rules. It is a 98-pages book in slipcase plus a "velour" bag for the cards and coins.

Yes, that 98 pages book costs as much as the 532-page main rulebook because of the slipcase, the few cards and markers.

Yikes... thanks for the info. Looks like a pass for me at that price... and I think likely for many others. I'd love a tweak to the fantasy rules, but I can't see this getting much traction at that price-point... they'll have to trial run 9th edition in other ways.

 RiTides wrote:
Yikes... thanks for the info. Looks like a pass for me at that price... and I think likely for many others. I'd love a tweak to the fantasy rules, but I can't see this getting much traction at that price-point... they'll have to trial run 9th edition in other ways.

Don't expect the 9th edition rulebook to be as cheap as this 98 pages book

I wondered when they would bring back a "Dogs of War" type book. Gotta recast all those old (pretty crummy) Dogs of War regiments of renown in Finecast for huge prices...

When are we getting a Wood Elves, Dwarfs, or Bretonnians Army BOOK?!!? Enough super limited hard cover editions of Chaos and extra rule books--let us play the game, GW!

 pantheralegionnaire wrote:
I wondered when they would bring back a "Dogs of War" type book. Gotta recast all those old (pretty crummy) Dogs of War regiments of renown in Finecast for huge prices...

When are we getting a Wood Elves, Dwarfs, or Bretonnians Army BOOK?!!? Enough super limited hard cover editions of Chaos and extra rule books--let us play the game, GW!

1.) WE Dwarfs and Bretonnians will come within the next 12-18 months as rumours go.
2.) GW has learned that people pay fortunes for zero effort WD articles blown up to a hardcover book with slipcase. "Triumph and Treachery" indeed

 Kroothawk wrote:

2.) GW has learned that people pay fortunes for zero effort WD articles blown up to a hardcover book with slipcase. "Triumph and Treachery" indeed

Glad we're keeping an open mind about this

I dont know. If this book will let me add some units from other armies into my Warriors without needing to actually buy another army book even if it is just for fun games between friends "the only kind of fantasy I play" it might be a cool grab. Expensive seeing as it doesn't even have models but an interesting one non the less.

 Bull0 wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

2.) GW has learned that people pay fortunes for zero effort WD articles blown up to a hardcover book with slipcase. "Triumph and Treachery" indeed

Glad we're keeping an open mind about this

You have to admit it's well played . I know what I'll be thinking when I see the title now!

 Bull0 wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

2.) GW has learned that people pay fortunes for zero effort WD articles blown up to a hardcover book with slipcase. "Triumph and Treachery" indeed

Glad we're keeping an open mind about this

I think you'd find a much higher degree of enthusiasm, and a much lower level of cynicism, if this wasn't the umpteenth time they'd pulled this sort of gak in the last 2 years or so.

 azreal13 wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

2.) GW has learned that people pay fortunes for zero effort WD articles blown up to a hardcover book with slipcase. "Triumph and Treachery" indeed

Glad we're keeping an open mind about this

I think you'd find a much higher degree of enthusiasm, and a much lower level of cynicism, if this wasn't the umpteenth time they'd pulled this sort of gak in the last 2 years or so.

I know I'd be more excited if there weren't still 3 copies of crusade of fire drowned in dust 10 meters from me here at my flgs.

The Triumph & Treachery book has gone to pre-order


Wow is all I can say to that. $140 for a 98pg book, box of cards and a pouch with some tokens is nuts. Won't be buying that one!

Personally loving this. My group is often 3 to 5 players depending on schedules, and this will just allow us to add a ton of variety to our fantasy play. Can't wait.