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2013/10/13 18:23:41
Subject: To the barricades! (Civil Disobediance in D.C.)
d-usa wrote: Veterans breaking the laws because they are special...
That would be this:
They have 'em....
They should be having these:
I'm sorry, but I have zero sympathy for the people who think that laws and rules don't apply to them anymore because they are veterans. They go on the same pile as the veterans who piss and moan when they find out that they cannot fly a flag at their house because they were too lazy to read the contract that they signed before they purchased a house in a neighborhood with a HOA. Break the law, get arrested. I'm just going to guess that a lot of the people supporting these actions, and even committing these actions, were supporting this guy 100% when he dealt with this "civil disobedience" nonsense:
Because kids sitting on a sidewalk doing some civil disobedience = pepper spray and arrest those dirty hippies!
Kids storming DC and the national mall tearing down barriers in a case of civil disobedience = pepper spray and arrest those dirty hipp.....what? Those are not dirty hippies? The people breaking the law are veterans? Get some cameras on those guys that are heroes!
If only there was something lawful, useful, and something with far more impact these people could be doing.
Maybe they could cook a meal today for their fellow veterans who are homeless and going hungry because their benefits are affected by this shutdown:
25% of our homeless population are veterans.
Maybe they could be volunteering at the VA today, helping out injured veterans there. You know how many of these guys would be absolutely thrilled to have somebody come and help them get down to the smoking area and talk to them while they are down there?
It's a sad state of affairs when we celebrate these clowns for breaking the law.
How much more of an impact would it have made if these veterans would have come together at the capitols of their respective states to collect supplies for their homeless fellow veterans and cook a meal for them. But instead of a nice camera shot of a parking lot filled with homeless veterans being cared for by their fellow veterans and current members of their military while giving interviews about "DC has abandoned us, we take care of our own if these idiots will not take care of us!" we get camera shots of guys going "we are breaking the law, now we can hang out at a memorial lulz".
Wait, the Resident of the United States throws a hissyfit and locks down the monuments and that is supposed to be "The law"?
d-usa wrote: How much more of an impact would it have made if these veterans would have come together at the capitols of their respective states to collect supplies for their homeless fellow veterans and cook a meal for them. But instead of a nice camera shot of a parking lot filled with homeless veterans being cared for by their fellow veterans and current members of their military while giving interviews about "DC has abandoned us, we take care of our own if these idiots will not take care of us!" we get camera shots of guys going "we are breaking the law, now we can hang out at a memorial lulz".
They went for the coverage.
Considering the coverage OhBlameOh gets from the media, its about time.
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2013/10/13 19:14:17
Subject: To the barricades! (Civil Disobediance in D.C.)
Budgets are Congress' job, they can't pass one, the President cannot by law spend money.
You want to know who built this shutdown look at the other end of Pennsylvania Ave.
Uh, they have, the Democrat controlled Senate has rejected all of them. Nice try though!
That would be part of the whole READ THE CONSTITUTION thing. It takes both houses and the president to pass a budget. Holding your breath, stamping your feet, shutting down the government and risking default is the consquences of them not doing their job which includes compromise and deal making.
And trying to get the Resident to compromise has gotten us nothing other than the man-child holding his breath, stomping his feet, and trying to stick it to the average citizen. He is an embarrasment.
2013/10/13 23:33:54
Subject: To the barricades! (Civil Disobediance in D.C.)
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Interesting bit of trivia, those park police keeping people out of closed parks and monuments...
They're working without pay. They have been for 2 weeks.
And as 'essential' workers they can't opt to stay home or even take a day off.
But no tears for them and their families, nor blame for the one man in Congress who can call a vote tomorrow (if he wasn't on vacation).
Far be it for me to stop someone for blaming Blackman McMuslimName for all the ills of the world.
Unfortunately, the TRUTH doesnt back your fairytale. Those working are being paid, those furloughed are getting unemployment now that they dont have to pay back and backpay later when this blows over.
2013/10/13 23:38:54
Subject: To the barricades! (Civil Disobediance in D.C.)
Budgets are Congress' job, they can't pass one, the President cannot by law spend money.
You want to know who built this shutdown look at the other end of Pennsylvania Ave.
Uh, they have, the Democrat controlled Senate has rejected all of them. Nice try though!
That would be part of the whole READ THE CONSTITUTION thing. It takes both houses and the president to pass a budget. Holding your breath, stamping your feet, shutting down the government and risking default is the consquences of them not doing their job which includes compromise and deal making.
And trying to get the Resident to compromise has gotten us nothing other than the man-child holding his breath, stomping his feet, and trying to stick it to the average citizen. He is an embarrasment.
Seeing as any comment that isn't insulting the president will be completely ignored, I'll just go ahead and past d-usa's post explaining why what you just said is a complete crock of gak.
WASHINGTON -- It’s become a common House Republican talking point that Senate Democrats and President Barack Obama could end the shutdown of the government if they simply chose to negotiate.
“What we are looking at here again is an administration and president that seems to be unwilling to sit down and talk to us,” House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) bemoaned at a press conference on Saturday morning.
While Cantor is right that Democrats aren't exactly in the talking mood, the suggestion that they aren’t willing to negotiate ignores that they’ve already given Republicans a major win. The continuing resolution that the White House and congressional Democrats have agreed to funds the government at sequestration levels. And even some members of Cantor's own caucus admit that they got the good end of that deal.
“It is a concession, I acknowledge that,” Rep. Doug Lamborn (R-Colo.) told The Huffington Post on Saturday. “I was glad to see that lower number. It didn’t take defense spending into account. We still have a big discrepancy between the House and Senate version. But there has been some compromise and I acknowledge that.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Thursday said Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) reneged on a deal they hashed out in private earlier this year to pass a “clean” stopgap bill funding the government.
Reid said Boehner never wanted to wage a protracted battle over ObamaCare as part of the negotiations to keep the government running.
“I know that that’s not the path he preferred,” Reid said. “I know that because we met the first week we came back in September and he told me that what he wanted was a clean CR and the $988 [billion] number.
“We didn’t like the 988 number. We didn’t like it but we negotiated. That was our compromise,” Reid added. “The exact bill that he now refuses to let the House vote on. That was our negotiation.”
Many Democrats wanted to set the funding level in the continuing resolution at $1.058 trillion, rather than at the sequester level of $988 billion.
Reid said he didn’t have to twist Boehner’s arm to get a preliminary deal on a clean stopgap.
“He twisted mine a little bit to get that number,” Reid said.
“Now he refused to let his own party vote because he’s afraid to stand up to something he originally agreed to,” he added.
Clearly agitated at the memory, Reid said the two met in early September and reached a compromise about the end-of-the month deadline to pass a spending bill. Reid said Boehner agreed to pass a $988 billion spending package, $70 billion less than what the senate leader wanted.
“That was really hard,” Reid said, referring his decision to drop $70 billion. “My caucus really didn't like that. We took a real hit.”
Asked if Boehner at the time promised to deliver a clean continuing resolution, Reid said: “That's why we did it. That's why we agreed to that lower number. So that's one of the largest compromises since I've been in Congress.”
Repeating lies doesnt make it any closer to truth...
2013/10/13 23:40:40
Subject: To the barricades! (Civil Disobediance in D.C.)
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Interesting bit of trivia, those park police keeping people out of closed parks and monuments...
They're working without pay. They have been for 2 weeks.
And as 'essential' workers they can't opt to stay home or even take a day off.
But no tears for them and their families, nor blame for the one man in Congress who can call a vote tomorrow (if he wasn't on vacation).
Far be it for me to stop someone for blaming Blackman McMuslimName for all the ills of the world.
Unfortunately, the TRUTH doesnt back your fairytale. Those working are being paid, those furloughed are getting unemployment now that they dont have to pay back and backpay later when this blows over.
Any evidence for that?
Yeah, google it your own damn self.
2013/10/13 23:50:50
Subject: To the barricades! (Civil Disobediance in D.C.)
Spacemanvic wrote: And trying to get the Resident to compromise has gotten us nothing other than the man-child holding his breath, stomping his feet, and trying to stick it to the average citizen. He is an embarrasment.
It must irritate you so much to know that the President was not only elected once, but twice by the people of the United States. Whether you like the man or not, the least you could do is respect the office.
Both sides have negotiated numerous times before the shutdown and both sides have non-negotiable items, but now the GOP has blamed the Democrats for not negotiating? Here is a list of 19 times the Senate Democrats tried to negotiate with Senate Republicans by introducing their budget to a bicameral conference committee:
1. 4/23 Senator Reid requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Toomey blocked.
2. 5/6 Senator Reid requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Cruz blocked.
3. 5/7 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator McConnell blocked.
4. 5/8 Senator Warner asked unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator McConnell blocked.
5. 5/9 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator McConnell blocked.
6. 5/14 Senator Warner asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator McConnell blocked.
7. 5/15 Senator Wyden asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator McConnell blocked.
8. 5/16 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Lee blocked.
9. 5/21 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Paul blocked.
10. 5/22 Senator Kaine asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Rubio blocked.
11. 5/23 Senator McCaskill asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Lee blocked.
12. 6/4 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Rubio blocked.
13. 6/12 Senator Kaine asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Lee blocked.
14. 6/19 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Toomey blocked.
15. 6/26 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Cruz blocked.
16. 7/11 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Marco Rubio blocked.
17. 7/17 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Mike Lee blocked.
18. 8/1 Senator Durbin requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Marco Rubio blocked.
19. 10/2 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Toomey blocked.
Neither the GOP nor the Democrats have clean hands in this, despite what you have been told. The Democrats of things to offer the GOP in exchange for keeping the ACA off the table and they need to do it. The bottom line is the ACA is law that passed through the House and Senate, signed by the President, and upheld by the Supreme Court. In other words, that is exactly how it is supposed to work. A handful of congressmen that personally have nothing to lose don't want to continue to fund an already funded law and in the process, will make things miserable for a lot of people all for what? The polls show that the American people think the the GOP is largely responsible for the shutdown and they will continue to think that. It will be the same thing that happened in the 90s. they main gain a couple seats here and lose a couple there and be proud about it, but in the end it will be a Pyrrhic victory because the public on the whole won't support them.
Not a bit. Especially when the dimwitted finally come to grips with what they voted for :
"Of course, I want people to have health care," Vinson said. "I just didn't realize I would be the
one who was going to pay for it personally."
How is anyone blaming the House of Representatives for this government shut-down? The House passed 6 budgets, the Senate passed 0. The House passed bills specifically to fund the children cancer research, the Senate blocked it. The House passed a bill to specifically fund National parks & Monuments, the Senate blocked it. The House passed a bill specifically to fund the Veterans' Death benefits, the Senate blocked it. This shut-down is created and perpetrated by the Senate & Executive Branch (Who decides where cuts take place, yet choose to leave all 100+ Federally operated Golf Courses open.)
On todays episode of President Barry Boo Boo, ole Stompy Feet orders barrycades replaced and reinforced.
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2013/10/16 16:03:52
Subject: To the barricades! (Civil Disobediance in D.C.)
Relapse wrote: You're definitely right the Vet's protest is being carried out differently than the occupiers. The vets aren't crapping on the streets and sidewalks and strewing trash about while interupting people's business. Add in the fact that they've gotten no kudos from Obama and that pretty much shows the difference between the two groups of protesters.
I think the truckers are also being asinine.
Yup. Shows OWS was/is an astro-turf movement, and the vets are grass roots.
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Easy E wrote: I'm glad this act of civil disobedience helped change the political narrative in Washington.
Oh wait......
It's just the "Cliff Notes" of what's happening nationwide:
The Resident in Chief supports those who support his political views, and makes hell on everyone else.
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2013/10/16 19:09:34
Subject: To the barricades! (Civil Disobediance in D.C.)
The hypocrisy of the National Park Service via the Department of the Interior (under direct control of the Executive Branch - read as office of the Resident ) in dealing with the Veterans as opposed to dealing with OWS:
You cant stop the signal.....
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