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Is there ever a reason to give a Captain/CM Terminator armor instead of Artificer Armor and/or a bike? The only reason I can think is if you are going to put him in a squad of Hammernators and deep strike the unit. But other than that, I can;t think of a reason you would ever use a Termie Captain/CM...

they really aren't worth it, never have been, the AA is alot better, it gives you more wargear options and allows you too sweeping advance.
just my opinion

I find the Terminator Chapter Master is well worth the points, but only in one situation. Say you are disembarking from a transport or deep striking and you want to use your Orbital Bombardment, you can't unless you have him in Termie armor (or on a bike but then you arent getting out of a transport).

For a Captain/Chapter Master that has a Iron Halo all ready included in their costs, no. You named the one reason and that is to join a Deep Striking squad of Terminators.

For a Libby that has no other (consistent, barring powers) access to Invuln save besides Terminator armor, it is still a good option.

For a Chaplin that doesn't have access to AA but has a 4++, Terminator armor is still a good option.

For something like a MotF, their only option is the relic SS for a Invuln save. If they had Terminator armor as an option (which would have been cool btw), it would be a reasonable option IMO because of the added invuln save which they lack.

Like Thimn said, it's the only way (besides a bike) to giv a Chapter Master relentless so he can use his orbital bombardment while still moving.

Plus models in termite armour have cheaper options for some weapons, making the cost not much more.

 BlkTom wrote:
For a Captain/Chapter Master that has a Iron Halo all ready included in their costs, no. You named the one reason and that is to join a Deep Striking squad of Terminators.

For a Libby that has no other (consistent, barring powers) access to Invuln save besides Terminator armor, it is still a good option.

Not at all, with random choice of powers he's either effective, mediocre or downright trash, so he's of far less consistent effectiveness and there's no real coherent strategy to taking him other than because he's cheap, which should always raise sirens.

For a Chaplin that doesn't have access to AA but has a 4++, Terminator armor is still a good option.

Except the only thing that makes him worth it is Zealot, which A) Is worse than Hatred which you can get from the Standard of Emperor Ascendant on a Termie Captain/Chapter Master and B) Still isn't great for 100+ points.

Sure he has a 4++, but he still dies pretty easily all things considered.

For something like a MotF, their only option is the relic SS for a Invuln save. If they had Terminator armor as an option (which would have been cool btw), it would be a reasonable option IMO because of the added invuln save which they lack.

The MoTF is definitely a reasonable option, I've no idea what you're talking about. In a Termie Assault squad he can provide a pair of flamers (one combi), a TL PP and two extra power fist attacks, as well as the ability to repair the Termie transport if there is one and free up Heavy Support choices for minimal cost. Sure, he's not got an invulnerable but you can still stick him at the back in shooting and exploit LOS!.

Omega, read the thread... the question is if Terminator armor is worth it. Everything you listed doesn't matter at all, as your confused on asking if the HQ is worthwhile to take or not. The OP isn't asking if a Chapter Master/Captain is worth it or not, he is asking if putting them in Terminator armor is worth it.

I listed those HQs choices not because of their value as a actual HQ choice, but their access to Terminator armor and their access to Invuln saves. Is it actually worthwhile to put them in Terminator armor or not. Jeebus.

I find artificer armour typically gets the job done.

As stated above, deepstriking and relentless are really the only reasons for taking the terminator upgrade.
Plus to make him look cooler.

He's fun with the primarchs wrath.

Also, I have a question: so a chapter master can call down a bombardment after moving if he is relentless and/or slow and purposeful, etc.? Because for some reason I had in my head that he could not move no matter what. But after reading the codex it looks as though he can. Thoughts?

 BlkTom wrote:
Omega, read the thread... the question is if Terminator armor is worth it. Everything you listed doesn't matter at all, as your confused on asking if the HQ is worthwhile to take or not. The OP isn't asking if a Chapter Master/Captain is worth it or not, he is asking if putting them in Terminator armor is worth it.

I listed those HQs choices not because of their value as a actual HQ choice, but their access to Terminator armor and their access to Invuln saves. Is it actually worthwhile to put them in Terminator armor or not. Jeebus.

Looking at the value of taking Terminator Armour in a vacuum compared to all other factors is a completely pointless affair. You do not choose options for a HQ choice without any consideration for the unit he's going to be in, period.

I clearly stated reasons to and not to take the 3 HQ's you mentioned in Terminator squads, where you're going to be putting Terminator HQ's. The Chaplain and Libby aren't worth taking in Terminator squads anymore, hence they're not worth taking in Terminator armour at all.

If you put them in with Centurions, like I intend to, having them in TDA fits.
The extra T spreads to them, so having better saves helps.

 Skinnereal wrote:
If you put them in with Centurions, like I intend to, having them in TDA fits.
The extra T spreads to them, so having better saves helps.

hmm, that's an interesting idea. 2+/4++ with T5 to tank wounds for the cents... I may have to try that out!

I've been wanting to try out a terminator captain with the relic bolter. Maybe pair him up with a walking tac squad or shooty termies.