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Eldrad- 205
Karandras- 230
2x 10 man Dire avengers w/ exarch w/ power weapon and shimmer shield w/ wave serpents w/ TL scatter laser and holo fields- 590
Fire Dragons w/ exarch w/ fast shot and firepike in wave sperpent w/ TL scatter lasers and holo field- 275
Wraith knight w/ suncannon n scattershield w/ scatter laser and starcannon- 310
Warp spiders w/ exarch w/ fast shot and spinneret rifle- 130
10 man Striking scorpions w/ exarch w/ scorpions claw - 210
5 man ranger squad- 60


Lots of str 6. only draw back is anti air. I can drop karandras for some AA if anyone has some suggestions. he is thier for "cool" and fluffy reasons as well as being able to wreck just about any other HQ or unit in CC (str 8 ap2 at int. 7!?)

the idea is that the rangers camp a back objective, SS and Warp spyders hopefully come in turn 2. w/ the wave serps and units moving up. wraith knight is their to blow some stuff up and hopefully suck up a lot of fire before going down.

It's hard to say if tourney viable. However, some things kind of stick out in my mind:

1. Why the Starcannon on the Wraithknight? As a Monstrous Creature, it can only fire two weapons. Your best bet would be to fire the Scatterlaser (for the Laser Lock rule) and the Suncannon.

2. What are your plans with Eldrad? For his points, I'm trying to find where he fits in to your list.

3. The Dire Avengers seem a bit expensive. If you want full squads, ok, but the Exarch seems to be a questionable unit purchase.

4. Three Troop choices for a 2000 point list appears inadequate in 6th edition. Most games revolve around objectives. I would recommend reducing some points in other units to get 2 units of Jetbikes for cheap scoring units.

Best of luck.

Your over by 10 points. It could be tournament viable depending on your meta but you could trim a lot of fat.

Drop the exarchs in the dire avengers. You don't need an invulnerable save for a unit that is going to be in a transport. Wave serpents are really hard to kill so they will most likely come out where ever you deploy them.

Drop the starcannon on your wraithknight because you can only fire two weapons per turn. He wouldn't be able to fire the starcannon when he fires his scatterlaser/suncannon combo.

I would personally drop Eldrad because he is really expensive for what he does now, and runes of warding are complete crap. For a tournament, his spot would be taken better by farseer on a jetbike or a spiritseer to go with your striking scorpions, or just not there at all. The HQ choices for eldar aren't that strong anymore :/ .

I would also drop the exarch in the warp spiders because he's overpriced for a 5 man unit.

By my calcurations then you should be at 1690 If you have any jetbikes I would bring a farseer on a jetbike with 3 windrider jetbikes to escort him atleast. With the remaining points I would probably get 2 fire prisms or 2 x 2 war walkers with bright lances or some sort of heavy anti tank.

thinking about it eldrad is a bit pricey. I suppose a farseer would fill his role better for, I just have a thing for SC HQs and I have a hard time accepting they may not work the best . personally I believe the eldar PL are fairly good.

also it was an oversight on the knight so thats 20 points free. I just like the thought of having the 5++ on my semi fragile troops. incase they do get thrown out into the open. but it does feel a -bit- expensive with the exarch tax. I really like the WS exarch for his ap1 3 shots. I will shift some points around and if I have to I may drop his spinneret or him fully. I don't have many jetbikes as I have a love affair with aspects. though I have one unit of warlocks on bikes as I do like warlocks. I don't have any prisms :/ collecting 2 armies kinda limits you sometimes haha.



2k Eldar List Aliatoc
Farseer w/ jetbike, and singing spear w/ 3 eldar jetbike warlocks- 270
Karandras- 230
2x 10 man Dire avengers w/ wave serpents w/ TL scatter laser and holo fields and shuriken cannons- 550
Fire Dragons w/ exarch w/ fast shot and firepike in wave sperpent w/ TL scatter lasers, shuriken cannon and holo field- 275
Wraith knight w/ suncannon n scattershield w/ scatter laser- 300
Warp spiders w/ exarch w/ fast shot - 115
10 man Striking scorpions w/ exarch w/ scorpions claw - 210
3 man Windrider jetbike squad- 51

this any better? didn't change to much but I have +2 powers a turn now. and while they aren't buffs its still useful I think. Still new to eldar so yeah haha.

why are you giving your fragons upgrades? do you hink that they need to be more expensive, or do you believe that 5 meltaguns wont be enogough to kill a tank?
dont give them any upgrades if you want to use them.

your farseer council is really small, and will get shot down easily. drop warlocks, and get the farseer mantle of the laughing god.

this list is better than first, but still need changes.

2k Eldar List Aliatoc
Farseer w/ jetbike, and singing spear w/ 3 eldar jetbike warlocks- 270
Karandras- 230
2x 10 man Dire avengers w/ wave serpents w/ TL scatter laser and holo fields and shuriken cannons- 550
Fire Dragons w/ exarch w/ fast shot and firepike in wave sperpent w/ TL scatter lasers, shuriken cannon and holo field- 275
Wraith knight w/ suncannon n scattershield w/ scatter laser- 300
Warp spiders w/ exarch w/ fast shot - 115
10 man Striking scorpions w/ exarch w/ scorpions claw - 210
3 man Windrider jetbike squad- 51

Both lists are not really viable in a strong meta. Scorpions can become a liability if shot down early or requiring a longer walk to reach the enemy front ranks.
How many Fire Dragons do you field?
Warp Spiders may or may not work.
The list needs to be streamlined using more Serpents in a Helldrake environment.

Personally I think scorpions are poor and wasted points. They're cool and fluffy, but not for tournament play.

In your list I struggle to see why you have paid for any upgrades on the wraith knight? With the exception of the fragons, you have little anti tank. Stock knights are best, up you have more than enough S6 already!

As for karandras, for his points plus those saved on the knight you could get another avenger squad in a serpent! Significantly increasing your firepower.

It looks a fun list, but not too competitive. Warlocks aren't too great in this Ed, and in a squad that small your Farseer will be squished very easily. If you want him for buffs etc, you need a unit to really protect him!

Disagree about the spiders above, they are arguably one of eldar strongest units! You can never have too many!

so drop the wraithknight updrades and drop the scorpions? are you positve they can't work in tourneys? :(

They can work, kind of, but you have to be a little lucky, and you have to realise that they are a delivery system for the exarch! Because the other guys are just too weak, and they're not very survivable. If you must keep them, I'd suggest dropping the exarch as you can use them as a delivery system for karandras.

Personally, in your list, definitely take a stock knight! You lack some heavy armour punch! And I don't think a Suncannon is all that good. Especially with three serpents in your list! You have a lot of S6 in your list already! Dropping the knights weapons and the scorpion exarch could buy you chin cannons on the serpents. That's more S6 dakka at a better range! And twin linked thanks to the scatter lasers. If you want to keep the knights Suncannon, then you need to add in war walkers of lords with two bright lances. Walkers work better I think. They receive a lot of hate, but I think they're a good cheap weapons platform!

These are all opinions. I love scorpions, but would never take them in a comp list. Best units are serpents, stock wraithknights, spiders and jetbikes. I'm a big fan of Wraithguard with d-scythes too. There's also a lot of love for hawks!

I may drop the claw off the exarch but I need to exarch to absorb challenges I don't want karandras in :3

The claw alone gives you 3 serpent chin cannons.

I would recommend have the wraith knight with sun cannon/scatter laser, and farseer with jet-bike mantle of laughing god and the 15 point spirit stone, keep fire dragon units small and with no upgrades, dire avengers with no upgrades, and the striking scorpions only if you REALLY want them other wise get them out, i would get crimson hunters for the best AA in this game or war walkers with scatter lasers.

Hope this helps at all and good luck!

Honestly the suncannon is a rubbish upgrade for the knight, especially in your list.

Farseer w/ jetbike-115
Karandras- 230
2x 10 man Dire avengers w/ wave serpents w/ TL scatter laser, holo fields and shuriken cannons- 550
5 man dire avengers in wave serpents w/ TL scatter laser, holo field, and shurkien cannon.
Fire Dragons w/ exarch w/ fast shot and firepike in wave sperpent w/ TL star cannon, shuriken cannon and holo field- 275
Wraith knight w/ scatter laser- 260
Warp spiders w/ exarch w/ fast shot - 115
10 man Striking scorpions w/ exarch w/ biting blade - 185
3 man wind rider jetbikes w/ 1 shurkien cannon-61


Is this a bit better?

I think it is a bit better (remember this is all personal opinion)

3 - 4 wave serpents is the sweet spot in a 2K list. How come the starcannons though?

The knight doesn't need a scatter laser, since as a MC he can only fire two weapons a turn. I think its a wasted 20 points. where I would spend those points I don't know. I personally would consider dropping the fragons upgrades. With a serpent to deliver them I don't think they need the upgrades. With those points combined, you could probably increase the jetbike squad for surivability, or add a second squad in for objective grabbers!

The other option is to drop the fragons and take wraithguard instead. to get these I'd drop all the fragons, drop fast shot off of the spiders, and drop the scatter laser of the knight. That is exactly the points for 160 point wraithguard unit....but then I'm biased as an Iyanden player!

Otherwise it's starting to take a real nice all corners look to it. I'm still not sold on Karandras or the scorpions. I think those points are better spent elsewhere in a tournemant list. Fine in a friendly though. But for those points you could throw in a squadron of war walkers, a crimson hunter exarch, and have points left over! alternatively you could throw in another squad of spiders. I love spiders!

They can work in a tournament and we all have that one squad that we just want in our army. I'd leave the Scorpions and Karandras in. I'd even opt for a claw on the Exarch after all.

Change the Starcannon on that Serpent to Scatterlaser. You don't have any anti-air, so it's important to get your shields twin-linked. And drop the Scatterlaser off the Knight, he won't fire it and it's expensive. I'd do a couple more changes, keeping in theme of your list, but improving on it slightly. Something like:

HQ:

Karandras - 230

Spiritseer - 70


Troops:

10 Dire Avengers in a Wave Serpent with Scatterlasers, Holofields, Shuriken Cannon - 275

10 Dire Avengers in a Wave Serpent with Scatterlasers, Holofields, Shuriken Cannon - 275

5 Wraithguard in a Wave Serpent with Scatterlasers, Holofields, Shuriken Cannon - 305

3 Windrider Jetbikes - 51

3 Windrider Jetbikes - 51


Elites:

10 Striking Scorpions with Exarch with Scorpion's Claw, Monster Hunter and Crushing Blow in a Wave Serpent with Scatterlasers, Holofields, Shuriken Cannon - 370


Fast Attack:

7 Warp Spiders - 133


Heavy Support:

Wraithknight - 240


Total: Exactly 2000 points.


For a bit more than the cost of Fire Dragons, you get another troop choice that is much more durable and is almost as good at killing tanks and better against everything else.

Spiritseer is there to make WG troops, obviously, but for another rreason as well. Spiritseer makes Scorpions into a much deadlier force. Every power on the Runes of Battle table benefits them in some way, except Embolden/Horrify, but if you roll that, you take Conceal as Primaris, so your Scorps get 2+ cover save in area terrain and 4+ in the open. Not to mention if you manage to roll Jinx/Protect and suddenly you have 10 TEQ running through your enemy's deployment zone. The reason I put them in a Wave Serpent is because outflanking Serpents are ridiculous. They can get side or rear armor shots at stuff like Battlewagons, Chimeras, Predators, Vindicators, you name it. And if you Infiltrate, that means that by Turn 2, your Scorpions will be exactly where you want them to be.

I'm not sure I'd put Karandras in there, though. With Spiritseer, anything that unit touches will be dead anyway. Instead, I'd either Infiltrate Karandras alone somewhere out of LOS or I'd put him with WG to tank wounds with majority T 6.

In fairness the list above is a very very nice list, and does kind of fit your theme. Don't forget that an infiltrating spiritseer still has spirit mark as well! Wakes those wraithguard and the wraithknight that little bit more nasty as they will re roll all to hit rolls of a 1 against marked units!

Possibly the best way I've seen scorpions used.

 raiden wrote:
Farseer w/ jetbike-115
Karandras- 230
2x 10 man Dire avengers w/ wave serpents w/ TL scatter laser, holo fields and shuriken cannons- 550
5 man dire avengers in wave serpents w/ TL scatter laser, holo field, and shurkien cannon.
Fire Dragons w/ exarch w/ fast shot and firepike in wave sperpent w/ TL star cannon, shuriken cannon and holo field- 275
Wraith knight w/ scatter laser- 260
Warp spiders w/ exarch w/ fast shot - 115
10 man Striking scorpions w/ exarch w/ biting blade - 185
3 man wind rider jetbikes w/ 1 shurkien cannon-61


Is this a bit better?

yet again you are giving your fragons upgrades........
they dont need upgrades!!!!!! there expensive enough!!!!

I like that list 2 posts above, I hadn't thought about outflanking a wave serpent, but that does give the scrops at least 1 extra turn out of CC doesn't it?

also, wraithknight has a 3+ armor save and thats it, he just feels a tad squishy, even with 6 wounds.

thanks for the army advice!

It depends. They are T8! I run 2, and my primary tau opponent has trouble killing just one!

T8 W6 squishy? Yes, he can die to poison or mass firepower. But usually he'll pay double his points back or even triple, just in firepower he will absorb. Not to mention the tarpitting potential of that thing. Last game I played I tarpitted 900 points shooty deathstar with my WK for the entire game. My opponent went nuts.

Plus, you know area terrain works so that you can put your WK's toe in it and he'll get 5+ cover? That's mostly the same as 5++,. except it won't work against ignore cover weapons, which are usually S7 and AP4 and if you're in combat with something that can actually hurt the WK, you've done something wrong. With a 12" jump move, he can kite like a boss.

And yes, your Scorps may not see CC until Turn 3, but you have to understand that this is just a suggestion, something you can do, not something you MUST do every game. Sometimes, an infiltrating Serpent is much better than an outflanking one. And in both cases, you can strike right where you want to and can't be avoided, which is much easier on foot.

 Araenion wrote:
T8 W6 squishy? Yes, he can die to poison or mass firepower. But usually he'll pay double his points back or even triple, just in firepower he will absorb. Not to mention the tarpitting potential of that thing. Last game I played I tarpitted 900 points shooty deathstar with my WK for the entire game. My opponent went nuts.

Plus, you know area terrain works so that you can put your WK's toe in it and he'll get 5+ cover? That's mostly the same as 5++,. except it won't work against ignore cover weapons, which are usually S7 and AP4 and if you're in combat with something that can actually hurt the WK, you've done something wrong. With a 12" jump move, he can kite like a boss.

And yes, your Scorps may not see CC until Turn 3, but you have to understand that this is just a suggestion, something you can do, not something you MUST do every game. Sometimes, an infiltrating Serpent is much better than an outflanking one. And in both cases, you can strike right where you want to and can't be avoided, which is much easier on foot.

I didn't think you could Infiltrate vehicles? Am I wrong on this?

nope you can infiltrate them.

You can if they are dedicated transports for a unit that has Infiltrate USR. Otherwise, no, you can't. Unless the vehicle itself has that special rule, naturally.