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This cropped up in a game recently:

A Battlewagon (with Deff Rolla) filled with Meganobz and Ghaz attempts to ram an Ironclad Dread. The Dread performs Death or Glory and Explodes the Wagon (it then dies to the 2d6 Deff Rolla hits). This is where the weirdness starts: There's another Battlewagon right by them. If the Boyz in this Wagon get out can Ghaz and company get in? Do they count as having "disembarked"? Can they even move at this point?

First, if you even immobilize the wagon, I thought that you didn't take the deff rolla hits as it wasn't moving forward to hurt you anymore... So I would think blowing it up would mean no hits on the dread in question.

not sure on the disembark stuff. I was under impression that even blowing up an assault vehicle, made it count as an assault vehicle and have more lenient rules to disembarking/movement. Sorry I'm not of more help, at least have a bump.

A model/unit that Death or Glory's a Deff Rolla takes 2d6 (instead of 1) and per the Ork FAQ they take those hits regardless of what happens to the Wagon.

To answer the OP. If the BW explodes it is removed and replaced with a crater. The embarked Orks are placed where it used to be and take a Pinning test (unless there are more than 10 though probably not with MANZ). In their next turn they can embark on a different transport that has the capacity to hold them.

So a mob of Boyz can get out and the MANZ can get in if they are close enough.

skyfi wrote:
First, if you even immobilize the wagon, I thought that you didn't take the deff rolla hits as it wasn't moving forward to hurt you anymore... So I would think blowing it up would mean no hits on the dread in question.

not sure on the disembark stuff. I was under impression that even blowing up an assault vehicle, made it count as an assault vehicle and have more lenient rules to disembarking/movement. Sorry I'm not of more help, at least have a bump.

No you still take the 2d6 hits, otherwise the second d6 rule would be about pointless. Also it is in the Ork FAQ that you very much take 2d6 hits.

When a vehicle explodes the unit is placed not disembarking. So may move and embark on another transport(assuming they are not pinned).

 Kommissar Kel wrote:

skyfi wrote:
First, if you even immobilize the wagon, I thought that you didn't take the deff rolla hits as it wasn't moving forward to hurt you anymore... So I would think blowing it up would mean no hits on the dread in question.

not sure on the disembark stuff. I was under impression that even blowing up an assault vehicle, made it count as an assault vehicle and have more lenient rules to disembarking/movement. Sorry I'm not of more help, at least have a bump.

No you still take the 2d6 hits, otherwise the second d6 rule would be about pointless. Also it is in the Ork FAQ that you very much take 2d6 hits.

When a vehicle explodes the unit is placed not disembarking. So may move and embark on another transport(assuming they are not pinned).

been way too long since I played! ill stfu!

As for disembarking, that is covered in the BRB, stating that a model may embark on a turn, then if their vehicle becomes destroyed the are forced to disembark, it's in the first paragraph of Embarking and Disembarking. So it would count as a Disembarkation as the vehicle has been destroyed, since it's an assault vehicle they would be able to assault, provided they passed their pinning test. But they would not be able to embark on a new vehicle that turn.


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On a side note, the Dread counts as a vehicle, so per the Ork FAQ, it would only take 1 d6 hits. Hitting another vehicle is a Ram not a Tank Shock.


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And also the Dread wouldn't have been able to Death or Glory in the First place, per the Walker rules.

 Bobaram wrote:


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On a side note, the Dread counts as a vehicle, so per the Ork FAQ, it would only take 1 d6 hits. Hitting another vehicle is a Ram not a Tank Shock.


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And also the Dread wouldn't have been able to Death or Glory in the First place, per the Walker rules.

This is correct. Page 84 of the BRB states that Walkers are rammed as normal vehicles and cannot perform Death or Glory. If it survives it can then assault. So there is no D6 or 2D6 deffrolla hits, just the basic Ramming resolution.

Well, there would be a D6 hits, per the Orc FAQ, as a RAM is just a form of Tank Shock against the vehicle.

My bad about the Dread not being able to Death or Glory. My real question still stands though, just replace "Ironclad Dread" with "a Space Marine with a meltagun". I want to know what the unit inside the exploded transport can/can't do.

 Bobaram wrote:
As for disembarking, that is covered in the BRB, stating that a model may embark on a turn, then if their vehicle becomes destroyed the are forced to disembark, it's in the first paragraph of Embarking and Disembarking. So it would count as a Disembarkation as the vehicle has been destroyed, since it's an assault vehicle they would be able to assault, provided they passed their pinning test. But they would not be able to embark on a new vehicle that turn.


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On a side note, the Dread counts as a vehicle, so per the Ork FAQ, it would only take 1 d6 hits. Hitting another vehicle is a Ram not a Tank Shock.


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And also the Dread wouldn't have been able to Death or Glory in the First place, per the Walker rules.

I stated it earlier, I think it got washed out by the walker rules discussion.

I'm totally with you if the vehicle were Wrecked as the description of "Effects of Damage on Passengers" clearly states that they disembark. However, under Explodes! just underneath it (on p80 of the BRB for reference) it says they are "placed" with no mention of disembarking. That may be a little "rules lawyer" of me, but it is what it is.

Well, I would say that within the first paragraph it says forced to disembark as a result of the vehicle being destroyed. The first sentence of the Explodes result is, The vehicle is destroyed.


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So I think on that one it comes down to interpretation of the damage result and associated rules.


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The only other real reference I can find is within the FAQ stating a Chariot in close combat that explodes performs an emergency debarkation. But doesn't really help us here.


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I think the clarification of the model placement wasn't meant to avoid the rule of disembarking, just providing a place where the model must go, rather than starting on the edge of the hull.

It could simply be referencing when the unit disembarks when the vehicle is destroyed by being Wrecked. Under "Wrecked Vehicles" on p74 it also mentions the vehicle being "destroyed".


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I don't even necessarily disagree with you. My gut tells me they shouldn't even be able to move, but I feel like the rules don't restrict it.

True, it's all rather vague. I would play it as a Disembarkation, but I could see the point of saying well, they didn't disembark the vehicle disappeared around them!

Later on it talks about the "Now disembarked" passengers - even though they were placed, they end up counting as having disembarked. So no ability to embark.

I think the wording of them being "placed" is to differentiate from a disembarkation move since they must remain in the crater, but that they are treated as if they had been forced to disembark as the subsequent wording states (the "now disembarked" part nos mentioned).