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I tried Vallejo's Surface Primer, and I am not a fan. It is not anywhere near durable enough for *me*(and a lot of people from my searches).

Am I hoping for too much in wanting an Army Painter/Krylon etc level of durability in an airbrush primer?

Any recommendations besides just rattle can priming?

Thanks guys, otherwise I am absolutely loving airbrushing.
   
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USA

from my experience I have found that if the Vallejo stuff is applied to thick, it is not very durable, however if applied in a thin, semi-transparent coat, it works quite well. also washing your mini's first before priming goes a long way on helping the primer do it's job.

   
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I washed the model with dawn. I'm pretty thorough, and I've never had a problem with any other primer(spray cans).

I guess I could give it another shot, but it really dissapointed me. I think it lays down smooth, and looks nice, but just from handling my thunderwolf paint was coming off from the ends of the fur.

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Nottingham, UK

Don't handle it until it's sealed. The PU primer is effectively a gesso, there's no chemical bond to the surface. It does its job in that you can paint over it, but it is not as durable as a solvent based primer. Painting blocks / handles are very much the order of the day.

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I should have specified I actually have the models on pins and leave them stuck into foam so I don't have to handle them/lay them down, and I waited 24 hours to paint them after using the primer. But I did handle it during painting.

I'm going to be doing a Dreadnought next, and I'll see how it goes being even more careful, and not handling it much even after it cures.

I will say it does strip off amazingly well..lol. 5 minutes in Simple Green and it's gone.

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Nottingham, UK

I think it's the sharp points that are the issue here; it's very easy indeed to rub Vallejo primer off those - there's almost no surface area and the primer tears very easily.

A good trick, once primed is to give it a blast of a matt varnish. Testor's Dulcote is a good one to try; it's pretty hard wearing. Some people actually use it in lieu of a primer.

Other than that there's not a lot I can suggest other than a VERY gentle touch when handling, but it's best to avoid it completely if you can. Quite often I'll pin something I'm worried about handling to a wooden block to use as a handle/stand. Kid's building blocks are great for this, as are Jenga blocks...


 
   
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Just to be sure, OP you're not using Grey Primer by mistake are you. I here some complete muppets have used the colour instead of the actual primer.


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Nope, thanks for asking though! I have Vallejo Surface Primer, in white, grey and black.

After messing around I think Winterdyne hit the nail on the head, the sharp edges/points of the finecast wolves fur. I handled it like I did normal primers and that was a mistake.

I have since coated the wolf in Vellajo Satin Varnish(with airbrush), and I think it is holding up now.

I'll just be more careful with small contact points.

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