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ok ive been using space marines for the past year and have had ehh success with them so im coming here for hopefully good advice

If I may ask for help id like to know what army I should be pursuing at the moment I love Black Templars but if that's not what I should be doing ill change
I REALLY Want a combat heavy army
I know its a shooty meta and im fine with that but I like combat and that's what I want to do but I understand that I need heavy shooting support

Models I Have:
High Marshal Helbrecht
Chapter Master with JP and SS/TH ( Shield Of Eternal)
Librarian

3 Tactical squads
2 predators
1 Dread
Land Raider Crusader
2 Whirlwind/Rhino's
2 5 man devastator squads
5 man Assault Terminator Squad all TH/SS
5 Vanguard Vets

and that's my collection

again im new to 40k for the mest part and would love some good solid advice

BlackConsulBrother wrote:
If I may ask for help id like to know what army I should be pursuing at the moment I love Black Templars but if that's not what I should be doing ill change

Dude, play what ever you want! Templars are certainly workable

What sort of list are you thinking? 1k? 1.5? 1.850? 2k?

2000

but idk how to be successful with marines im 7-43 with marines

56-18 with necrons

id say in most games use helbrecht and chapter M
and 2 rhino whirls and 3 tacs and dread and termies and pred

i d say best way to get armies in to close combat is a land raider or even a storm raven both have assault ramps, in 2000 points id recommend two, one with the TH SS termies and one with halbrect and a load of 15 cruesaders

Double force org?

two WW + some lascannon devs in the back field make a decent fire base. Id say 4 las + full 10man (scavenge one of the tactical) so you can combat squad into 2 5 man squads if not double force.

So its a place to start.

Got drop pods? or is that what you listed everything?

1 single LR wont really do much. but that or the flying brick is basically some of the best way to get into CC right now. 2-3 LR is great and is very difficult for a lot of players to deal with

here is the list i was thinking of

HQ:
High Marshall Helbrecht With Honor Guard
( 5 man 4 Relic blades and 1 TH on Champ)
Terminator Captain TH/SS

470 pts total

Elites:
5 TH/SS terminators

225 pts

Troops:
4 10 man Crusader squads
+ Sword Brothers with Power Weapon
+Melta Guns in every squad
+ Missile Launchers in Every squad

760 pts total

HEAVY:
Storm Raven (TL-Lascannon/ Typhoon ML/ Hurricane Bolters/ Extra Armour)
Land Raider Crusader (Multi Melta/ Extra Armor)

530 pts total


1,985 for whole army.
OTHER
Terminators Plus Captain in the Storm Raven
High Marshal Helbrecht Plus Honor Guard in Land Raider

Why not give the captain the Shield eternal
that way he can tank ID shots.

Relic blades honestly are meh. its nice to have one but would rather stick with some power axes/maces that way you can kill some at initiative + the additional attack for two CCW and threaten armor 2.

Since your going 10man units anyway on the crusader squad why not go with regular tactical? that way you can combat squad them. and its not like you need the land raider crusader in DT slot.

Id think about giving some of those crusader squads rhinos at least. that way you can roll up with the LR.

Give honor guard chapter banner also consider putting 5is meatshil- er I mean neophytes on your crusader squads.

I don't think the banner is worth it as much considering the marshal can give same effect once per game. (i mean how many combats are you really gonna get into.) though if you have the points why not .

Don't use Vanguard Veterens, they're way too overcosted for what they do

the problem is I cant find the points to put everything in a rhino or give the SoE to the captain

even if I lose the relic blades ill still only gain 40-50 points

I could take some upgrades from the stormraven?


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I could get two rhino's and that way allow for some squads to move up with the raider but the plan is for the tacticals/crusaders to be the second wave and the Raider Termies Honor Guard, Storm Raven, Helbrecht to be the first wave


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ok so I sat down and decided to go Templar all the way and found the points to do so

Revised list

HQ:
Helbrecht
Terminator Captain TH/SS

Dedicated Transport:
2 Rhino's
Land raider Crusader

Elites:
5 man TH/SS

Troops:
2 10 man crusader squads (In the Rhino's)
+ Chainswords
+ Sword Brother
+ Power Weapon

2 5 man crusader squads (Claiming Home Objective)
+ Lascannon
+ Plasma gun

10 man crusader squad (Helbrecht here)
with Bolt pistol and Chainsword

Heavy:
StormRaven
+TL Lascannon
+ Typhoon Missile Launcher

this is a total of 1770 pts

(Terminators in Raven with captain/ Helbrecht and lone 10 crusader squad in Crusader/ 2 Crusaders in Rhino's)

and ill buy models to add to if possible but I really just want whatever is good and competitive to add that will help with my tactics

Tactics:
Raider and Rhino's move up 2 crusaders hold home field
turn 2-3 Raven/Raider/Rhino's drop load into death

psst Don't forget to replace the SS you already gave the captain.

replace it with what?


any ideas on what to spend the remainder of my points on?

Personally I d take out the captain add a chapter master with a burning blade and artificer armour and add 7 honour guard with one banner and a thunder hammer on champ for challenges. Probably bout the same price