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I've been collecting my chaos daemons for awhile for 40k, but I've been looking to magnetize the bases so I can use them for fantasy, but is the next edition of fantasy far enough away so I don't waste money on the 8th edition rulebook only to have to buy a new one shortly down the road?

Also, can I use the round bases for my troops so I only have to magnetize the larger units?

Thanks in advance

You can get a mini-rulebook for around $20 online so there isn't really any reason to wait.

No, you should not use round bases. It doesn't work with how things rank up and determining arcs.

Instead, you should mount all your daemons on square bases. It doesn't matter for 40k but it does for Fantasy. 40k just requires the base the model came with, and Daemons come with both.

Don't use round bases, your mans won't rank up properly. I have seen some people magnetize round bases on top of square bases, though.

9th Ed is rumored to summer 2014 -- I'll leave it to you if the 6-8 months of fantasy gaming is worth the $20 rulebook.

If you get a proper movement tray the round bases work fine. This is due to the 25mm size of both base types.

Square bases might be easier to rank up but the round bases are actually the easiest way to make the models work perfectly in both game systems.

BTW if you are like me the models will all have washers in their bases so magnetizing the tray is trivial.

Get some good third-party movement trays that the 25mms fit in.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Get some good third-party movement trays that the 25mms fit in.

I wouldn't suggest this. Most of them are wider than ranked units would actually be since the majority of those produced are done in such a way as to not have the bases touching.

Each daemon model has two bases (a couple have only one - a few of the very largest and the Khorn Hounds only have the single base).


Typically one base will fit onto the other so you can use small magnets to link the two together. The only exception are Blood Crushers which have an odd pair of bases. Best way is to mount them onto a smaller round base and then magnetize that to fit onto the fantasy and 40K base.


For infantry use the round bases; then use movement trays for fantasy to move them around in; you'd likely use them anyway for movement of troops so you lose nothing.

Myself I'm approaching it by using 1p coins (tested with a magnet as some are and some are not reactive to a magnetic - you can also use washers). Then a sheet of magnetic paper can be placed into the movement tray. Thus the models will stick to the tray and won't move around; one can use 3mm foam to bridge the gaps between the models to give a smoother view.

You could also use some wood and drill your own slots onto your own movement trays.


Get yourself the codex (its fairly new so won't be updated any time soon) and one of the cheaper mini-rule books off ebay and away you go. You'll have a good few months to get some fun before the new edition and most clubs don't always shift into the new edition instantly so you'll still get some current edition games. The new expansion also has some new attention on fantasy (and its great fun in smaller point team games with a few people around the table - much more fun than regular smal point fantasy matches so a great way to play as you build your army up to size and also get used to fantasy as a whole instead of jumping in at the deep end with a huge army)

Thanks for the advice guys ^.^ I'll probably magnetize my larger creatures and chariots so I can just flip bases, but I like the idea of magnetizing the whole tray for the troops. I didn't even think about it!

 Overread wrote:


For infantry use the round bases; then use movement trays for fantasy to move them around in; you'd likely use them anyway for movement of troops so you lose nothing.

Do not do this. It will result in your unit having a bigger footprint than it actually should, and you will not be able to tell exactly where your unit's corners are, which is important for determining arcs for visibility and charge orientation.

Models on the square bases are also more tightly packed than the same models on round bases, so you will be gaining an unfair advantage with respect to any template or blast attacks.

@Grey Templar
Are you aware the Daemons are 25 mm square bases and the round bases are 25 mm in diameter? This means that there is literally no difference in width between the two. The round bases in fact take less surface area than the square bases.

The important part is that when you put the round bases in the movement tray they need to line up with the front and side exactly so the models line up properly (like I said the round bases can actually pack tighter than the square due to less surface area by staggering the ranks but that is illegal).

 ansacs wrote:
@Grey Templar
Are you aware the Daemons are 25 mm square bases and the round bases are 25 mm in diameter? This means that there is literally no difference in width between the two. The round bases in fact take less surface area than the square bases.

The important part is that when you put the round bases in the movement tray they need to line up with the front and side exactly so the models line up properly (like I said the round bases can actually pack tighter than the square due to less surface area by staggering the ranks but that is illegal).

Confused :S, I don't think having a zig zag rank is allowed... Maybe that's what you mean?

You still have the bases covering area they would not otherwise. If a blast hits the unit it will hit less of them than it would if they were square. Believe it or not the edges are very important. Cutting them off to make the base round gives an unfair advantage by introducing ambiguity.

Given how models are required to rank up, round bases cover a different area and require strange movement trays. All that combines to cause issues with movement and positioning.

It is important to be able to tell if in combat which dudes are corner to corner(which is the minimum for base contact) If you have round bases it will become nearly impossible to tell if we are corner to corner or not, so the base will have an adverse effect on gameplay.

Again if you are reasonable and simply rank them up correctly (ie NO zig zag) you can effectively ignore the bases. If you cannot figure out what is hit by blasts put down lines marking where the bases would be on the tray. It really is not hard.

They require a standard movement tray with you putting the models in so the sides touch each other and the front and side of the tray...presto ranked correctly. Predicting where the corners would be is trivial as you should have a book/paper with you. Align the straight edge along the line formed by the sides of the round bases coming into contact, this will show you where the square would end. 90%+ of the time you can tell with just a glance as the template/blast/foot will end in the middle of models.

Aye a movement tray for round or square bases for infantry would be identical in size and shape. You won't have any zigzagging or other random placement problems; just the bases lining up with the models as normal.

You should easily be able to tell where the corners should be and if not, the mentioned idea of drawing lines on the board would work easily to solve that problem.

Since the edges of the square line up with the outermost edges of the circular bases there isn't any extra nor less aspect of using them with regard to rank and file setups. The ranks will be identical in width and length.

It's really the best way to go about it if you want the armies to be usable in both game (esp considering that you can't put square bases ontop of round ones as they fully hide the round - so mounted to square would then mean you couldn't show them on round bases - unless you used magnets on the models actual feet).

I don't know if it's easy. Hovering templates over bases can get ugly as it is without having non-bases. But hey.

As for waiting, it's not much money. If nothing else you can get a used or cheapo version and get familiar with the rules. I don't think 9th will have HUUUUGE changes. Probably magic and magic items will change. But the fundamentals like moving and shooting will likely remain the same.

I was at work one day on a Monday and I was making small talk with some lady and she asked how I was doing, and I joked, "I wish it was Friday." And she grew very serious and said, "never wish away time." I still remember that as it was pretty poignant.

 DukeRustfield wrote:
I don't know if it's easy. Hovering templates over bases can get ugly as it is without having non-bases. But hey.

As for waiting, it's not much money. If nothing else you can get a used or cheapo version and get familiar with the rules. I don't think 9th will have HUUUUGE changes. Probably magic and magic items will change. But the fundamentals like moving and shooting will likely remain the same.

I was at work one day on a Monday and I was making small talk with some lady and she asked how I was doing, and I joked, "I wish it was Friday." And she grew very serious and said, "never wish away time." I still remember that as it was pretty poignant.

Damn thats deep.

And I actually found someone willing to part with the mini rulebook for a decent price at my FLGS so I should be able to get my head wrapped around the rules soon enough!

 Grey Templar wrote:
You still have the bases covering area they would not otherwise. If a blast hits the unit it will hit less of them than it would if they were square. Believe it or not the edges are very important. Cutting them off to make the base round gives an unfair advantage by introducing ambiguity.

Given how models are required to rank up, round bases cover a different area and require strange movement trays. All that combines to cause issues with movement and positioning.

It is important to be able to tell if in combat which dudes are corner to corner(which is the minimum for base contact) If you have round bases it will become nearly impossible to tell if we are corner to corner or not, so the base will have an adverse effect on gameplay.

Use the GW modular movement trays... The round bases fit perfectly, and the grid is there in plain sight - just spray the baseplate black and then paint the groves a bright colour to clearly mark out the square baseprints for each model.
Simple, effective and works 100% legit. I have yet to hear any complaints from opponent's refusing to play me because of my round bases. (still get a few hold overs though who insist Daemons are still some kind of horribly broken 'uber filth)

For units like Beasts/Bloodcrushers, base them on the proper Fantasy square base and then use the old flat Sentinel bases that are still available from mail order when playing 40k. I simply built up a 3-sided 'slot' using green stuff that I can slide my square bases into. Works a charm!

There is still no confirmation on the new ed. so I would say get the 8th. ed. book on eBay and go for it!

 Grey Templar wrote:
You still have the bases covering area they would not otherwise. If a blast hits the unit it will hit less of them than it would if they were square. Believe it or not the edges are very important. Cutting them off to make the base round gives an unfair advantage by introducing ambiguity.

Given how models are required to rank up, round bases cover a different area and require strange movement trays. All that combines to cause issues with movement and positioning.

It is important to be able to tell if in combat which dudes are corner to corner(which is the minimum for base contact) If you have round bases it will become nearly impossible to tell if we are corner to corner or not, so the base will have an adverse effect on gameplay.

You could magnetise the movement tray and draw up squares on the movement tray. Will make it as obvious where the edges are.

edit: already suggested by Experiment. pew pew.

That's a great idea, I've been moving some of my greater daemons over to the square bases and using green stuff to make the slots and its almost perfect. I ordered some of the movement trays from my FLGS and am picking up the rulebook used from a guy in town for $40 tomorrow. Now I just need to get the daemons of chaos codex...

Thanks guys for the awesome ideas!