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I was looking at units and pondering on what my next purchase might be, considering my army is pretty sad atm :/. What army has the best predator tank, vindicator tank and LR and why?

Blood angel. as they are fast.

Vrooom vroom.

Also the LR can deep strike which is hilarious

Not. Fair!

Yeah, BA are probably the best for tanks, espacially with Vinidis. They can move 12" and still fire, countering the short range of the gun, and if need be, can move 24" in one turn, which is great if you need to redeploy fast. Deep-striking LR is risky but amazing fun and also pretty effective if you can pull it off. No one likes an AV14 full of very angry marines falling on them.

The only real competition is Iron Hands, with a 5+ IWND on every vehicle, This increases their defence by 33% against each shot, and you can keep rolling for regens every turn assuming you're still intact.

It's a case of whether you want better offensive ability or more staying power. Iron Hands mech lists are pretty nasty, and you get the bonus of having access to one of the best HQs in the game with the blinged out Chapter Master on bike with Shield Eternal and TH.

CSM ones are cheaper. So... you could have more of them? Maybe?

 jackflashultra wrote:
Not. Fair!

Until you realize that deep striking a Land Raider is a terrible idea.

Vindicators - Blood Angels....hands down.
Predators - Blood Angels....hands down.

Land Raiders - Iron Hands

 Wilytank wrote:

 jackflashultra wrote:
Not. Fair!

Until you realize that deep striking a Land Raider is a terrible idea.

But when it works... my God does it work. As a terror weapon, few things can beat a DSing LRR full of Death Company. Angels of Death indeed.

And sometimes (most times for me) you just have to do something for sheer coolness. Flying Tanks fits firmly in this category.

The Leman Russ and its variants are the best tank in the game, and with the Armored Battlegroup list, you can field a whole army of them!!

Iron hands are pretty safe since they can keep their vehicles functioning a bit longer than others.

Blood Angels do armored warfare okay. Though Space Marine tanks arent that good in general since you can very few.

You could always ally an Armored Battlegroup to a Space Marine, that way you get the beauty of IG tanks as support, with the troops-choice toughness of space marines

Well I play Chaos and from what I'm hearing their vehicles are lacking

 jackflashultra wrote:
Well I play Chaos and from what I'm hearing their vehicles are lacking

You can ally Armored Battlegroup with Chaos too for a potential seven Leman Russ tanks.

Assuming the players locals are ok with it.

 Desubot wrote:
Assuming the players locals are ok with it.

Why wouldn't they be? I suppose if they have a habit of banning random parts of 40k.

As some people do. as well as some GW stores that dont want nothing to do with FW as it "Confuses new players"

As well as a few people that think FW stuff is unbalanced and stuff.

Wouldnt want some one buying a giant ABG to find that no one wants to play with them yaknow

 Desubot wrote:
As some people do. as well as some GW stores that dont want nothing to do with FW as it "Confuses new players"

As well as a few people that think FW stuff is unbalanced and stuff.

Wouldnt want some one buying a giant ABG to find that no one wants to play with them yaknow

Some people think Tau are unbalanced.

The same could be said of any codex - wouldn't want to buy a huge Tau army to find out no one wants to play it, yaknow.

In all seriousness, if you are planning on using a supplement (any including Enclave and the sorts), some special rule like Escalation or something, or Forgeworld. Always check with the shop owner first. If they are okay with it then you should get it. Then, ask your opponent. This should be before EVERY game. A competitive list against a casual and or fluffy (fluffy doesn't = casual but can hinder you) can be untentertaining to both sides, certain people might not like fighting a 50th Tau/Eldar/Daemon/Necron/IG player in a row, not everybody wants to play against this month's cheese and the sorts. Always make sure because the game is only worth it when both sides are entertained.

Is it idiotic that GW stores don't allow it as it confuses new players? Honestly, yes. The game itself is already convoluted to no end where every army breaks the standard rulebook and has a million special snow flakes scattered throughout it and only has gotten worse with the Supplements and other expanded rulesets. Is it idiotic that people argue it's unbalanced considering the books themself already have horrendous balance? Yes, but that is exactly why I say talking before a match helps. Not everyone wants to fight the tripple tide list again nor the screamerstar list that is paraded around madly and whilst many negative opinions of FW being this horrifically inbalanced thing is nonsense, there are certain broken units that they should have the right to determine whether it is right to oppose such a force. Whether you like it or not, ABG, whilst awesome, is only worth it if the people you can consistently play with and the shop are okay with it being played. It might be a 100% legal part of the game, but that means little if they will spend the entire game grumbling negatively or not even letting you play it at all.

If we're talking every list, the the Horus Heresy legion list wins with melta-immunity, PoTMS, optional skyfire on Predators and easy access to relic Predator weapons. However, all of these are optional upgrades and you have expensive troops, so you're not that able to spam them. There are also only three heavy support slots and a lot of cool tanks to fit in them. Oh, and the Predator Annihilator hasn't been invented yet, nor have most of the land raider variants in the game. But other than those minor niggles, they really are the best!

jackflashultra wrote:What army has the best predator tank, vindicator tank and LR

Unit1126PLL wrote:The Leman Russ and its variants are the best tank in the game

Please, read the OP...

Unit1126PLL wrote:You can ally Armored Battlegroup with Chaos too for a potential seven Leman Russ tanks.

Unit1126PLL wrote:if they have a habit of banning random parts of 40k.

Unit1126PLL wrote:Some people think Tau are unbalanced.

... before dragging the entire thread off-topic.

Thank you.

jackflashultra wrote:Well I play Chaos and from what I'm hearing their vehicles are lacking

Not particularly. They do lack the ability to take all those awful variations of the land raider that the light side get, but otherwise they have the same tanks. They don't get PotMS, but they are also cheaper. Plus, they can take a bunch of upgrades that the light-side ones can't, like the ability for a lascannon predator to set infantry units on fire, and thus be at least somewhat decent against hordes, for example.

I know it will take some time, but I argue that if you want a good tank army.... probably going for Iron Hands. Their special rules give extra survivability to their vehicles that gives them more synergy than most. I'd like to say BA (fast vehicles), but they are showing their age.

Honestly, the LR isn't all that great but I'd say that pretty much all LR are equal in the imperium with chaos falling behind it in terms of that. If you want slightly cheaper vehicles that lose the PotMS, go for CSM (though keep in mind you will be more restricted in LR variants to just one). If you want to have a fast army, BA. If you want to have a army that synergizes well Iron Hands are soemthing to look up. I'd also recommend reading about the supplement. I myself don't know how good it is but maybe it will be to your liking.

 Ailaros wrote:

jackflashultra wrote:What army has the best predator tank, vindicator tank and LR

Unit1126PLL wrote:The Leman Russ and its variants are the best tank in the game

Please, read the OP...

In his defense, one could easily assume that the "LR" could stand for "Leman Russ". Don't be so harsh on the fella, the Acronym-definer says both.
And before you say "Well, an idiot would not be able to infer that the OP meant only Space Marine Vehicles from the 2 SM vehicles in the beginning, but really an idiot would assume that people are smart enough for that.
(Besides, maybe he thought that the OP was listing Imperial Tanks)


But as far as the OP?
-I like the Blood Angel route, it reminds me of orky-ways, being able to have tanks zipping across the battlefield like bosses with red-paint jobs. A little mobility can take you a long way both literally and figuratively.

I'm getting some great stuff from all of this! Thanks and keep it up

Can't say I have much experience, but from my point of view, a couple of Chaos Predators do an awesome job.

Autocannon, 2 Lascans, TL Bolter + rocket launcher for 132 pts

TL Lascan, 2 Heavy Bolters, TL Bolter + Rocket Launcher for 137 pts

What is there not to like? The options for short range engagements are limited, but if you use your tanks for short range fighting something (especially with chaos), something has allready gone terribly wrong.