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2013/12/20 02:00:23
Subject: An’ggrath or Lord of Skulls
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Savage Khorne Berserker Biker
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Since the point value is exactly the same (888), which would you rather take: An’ggrath, Greater Daemon of Khorne or Lord of Skulls? I'm trying to decide on a lord of war for my army, Be'lakor is the HQ (Don't know if that makes a difference in your decision) 
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It is the 3rd Millennium. For more than a hundred months Games Workshop has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Nottingham. It is the foremost of wargames by the will of the neckbeards, and master of a million tabletops by the might of their inexhaustible wallets. It is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with business strategies from the early Industrial Revolution Age. It is the Carrion Lord of the wargaming scene for whom a thousand veteran players are sacrificed every day, so that it may never truly die. Yet even in its deathless state, GW continues its eternal vigilance. Mighty battleforce starter-sets cross the online-store-infested miasma of the internet, the only route between distant countries, their way lit by a draconian retail trade-agreement, the legal manifestation of the GW's will. Vast armies of lawyers give battle in GW's name on uncounted websites. Greatest amongst its soldiers are the Guardians of the IP, the Legal Team, bio-engineered super-donkey-caves. Their comrades in arms are legion: the writing team and countless untested rulebooks, the ever vigilant redshirts, and the writers of White Dwarf, to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat from other games, their own incompetence, Based Chinaman - and worse. To support Games Workshop in such times is to spend untold billions. It is to support the cruelest and most dickish company imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of sales discounts and Warhammer Fantasy Battle, for so much has been dropped, never to be re-published again. Forget the promise of cheaper digital content and caring about the fanbase, for in the GW HQ there is only profit-seeking, Space Marines and Sigmarines. There is no fun amongst the hobby shops, only an eternity of raging and spending, and the laughter of former employees who left GW to join better companies. |
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2013/12/20 02:05:33
Subject: An’ggrath or Lord of Skulls
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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I too have this choice, but the answer ended up very simple.
One is a gigantic avatar of the God of War and Rage, a worthy centrepiece for any Chaos Lord, a glorious model.
The other is a huge Bezerker bolted onto a tank.
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2013/12/20 02:14:50
Subject: An’ggrath or Lord of Skulls
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Savage Khorne Berserker Biker
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MarsNZ wrote:I too have this choice, but the answer ended up very simple.
One is a gigantic avatar of the God of War and Rage, a worthy centrepiece for any Chaos Lord, a glorious model.
The other is a huge Bezerker bolted onto a tank.
Hahahahaha I didn't mean model-wise, everyone knows that the LoS is an abomination. lol I was speaking strictly game play wise.
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It is the 3rd Millennium. For more than a hundred months Games Workshop has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Nottingham. It is the foremost of wargames by the will of the neckbeards, and master of a million tabletops by the might of their inexhaustible wallets. It is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with business strategies from the early Industrial Revolution Age. It is the Carrion Lord of the wargaming scene for whom a thousand veteran players are sacrificed every day, so that it may never truly die. Yet even in its deathless state, GW continues its eternal vigilance. Mighty battleforce starter-sets cross the online-store-infested miasma of the internet, the only route between distant countries, their way lit by a draconian retail trade-agreement, the legal manifestation of the GW's will. Vast armies of lawyers give battle in GW's name on uncounted websites. Greatest amongst its soldiers are the Guardians of the IP, the Legal Team, bio-engineered super-donkey-caves. Their comrades in arms are legion: the writing team and countless untested rulebooks, the ever vigilant redshirts, and the writers of White Dwarf, to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat from other games, their own incompetence, Based Chinaman - and worse. To support Games Workshop in such times is to spend untold billions. It is to support the cruelest and most dickish company imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of sales discounts and Warhammer Fantasy Battle, for so much has been dropped, never to be re-published again. Forget the promise of cheaper digital content and caring about the fanbase, for in the GW HQ there is only profit-seeking, Space Marines and Sigmarines. There is no fun amongst the hobby shops, only an eternity of raging and spending, and the laughter of former employees who left GW to join better companies. |
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2013/12/20 02:20:53
Subject: An’ggrath or Lord of Skulls
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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 sub-zero wrote:MarsNZ wrote:I too have this choice, but the answer ended up very simple.
One is a gigantic avatar of the God of War and Rage, a worthy centrepiece for any Chaos Lord, a glorious model.
The other is a huge Bezerker bolted onto a tank.
Hahahahaha I didn't mean model-wise, everyone knows that the LoS is an abomination. lol I was speaking strictly game play wise.
I'd still go with An'ggrath due to the fluff implications of the second strongest servant of Khorne walking around.
But Stat Wise? An'ggrath is tougher and is immune to tarpitting due to being able to wipe out 12 man units on the charge. Go with An'ggrath.
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Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." |
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2013/12/20 02:32:04
Subject: An’ggrath or Lord of Skulls
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Executing Exarch
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Go with the better model as either option is utterly outclassed by a chaos warhound gameplay wise.
Otherwise Anny is a FGMC as far as I remember. That makes him immune to D weapons until he is grounded which is a huge buff. I would still want some void shields to counter D weapon alpha strikes and the pylon. I would say Anny seems a little better.
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2013/12/20 02:44:13
Subject: An’ggrath or Lord of Skulls
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Savage Khorne Berserker Biker
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 ansacs wrote:Go with the better model as either option is utterly outclassed by a chaos warhound gameplay wise.
Otherwise Anny is a FGMC as far as I remember. That makes him immune to D weapons until he is grounded which is a huge buff. I would still want some void shields to counter D weapon alpha strikes and the pylon. I would say Anny seems a little better.
"immune to D weapons until he is grounded" Yes please!  How would "anny" match up against a revenant titan?
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It is the 3rd Millennium. For more than a hundred months Games Workshop has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Nottingham. It is the foremost of wargames by the will of the neckbeards, and master of a million tabletops by the might of their inexhaustible wallets. It is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with business strategies from the early Industrial Revolution Age. It is the Carrion Lord of the wargaming scene for whom a thousand veteran players are sacrificed every day, so that it may never truly die. Yet even in its deathless state, GW continues its eternal vigilance. Mighty battleforce starter-sets cross the online-store-infested miasma of the internet, the only route between distant countries, their way lit by a draconian retail trade-agreement, the legal manifestation of the GW's will. Vast armies of lawyers give battle in GW's name on uncounted websites. Greatest amongst its soldiers are the Guardians of the IP, the Legal Team, bio-engineered super-donkey-caves. Their comrades in arms are legion: the writing team and countless untested rulebooks, the ever vigilant redshirts, and the writers of White Dwarf, to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat from other games, their own incompetence, Based Chinaman - and worse. To support Games Workshop in such times is to spend untold billions. It is to support the cruelest and most dickish company imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of sales discounts and Warhammer Fantasy Battle, for so much has been dropped, never to be re-published again. Forget the promise of cheaper digital content and caring about the fanbase, for in the GW HQ there is only profit-seeking, Space Marines and Sigmarines. There is no fun amongst the hobby shops, only an eternity of raging and spending, and the laughter of former employees who left GW to join better companies. |
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2013/12/20 02:48:51
Subject: An’ggrath or Lord of Skulls
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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sub-zero wrote: ansacs wrote:Go with the better model as either option is utterly outclassed by a chaos warhound gameplay wise.
Otherwise Anny is a FGMC as far as I remember. That makes him immune to D weapons until he is grounded which is a huge buff. I would still want some void shields to counter D weapon alpha strikes and the pylon. I would say Anny seems a little better.
"immune to D weapons until he is grounded" Yes please! How would "anny" match up against a revenant titan?
In Melee?
He'd still slaughter it.
Anny can fight imperator titans in melee and win.
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Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." |
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2013/12/20 03:22:31
Subject: An’ggrath or Lord of Skulls
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Executing Exarch
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Yep, if you can catch the revenant before he grounds you and don't get alpha striked before you start flying Anny has it, complete domination...however that is hard to do. Void shield gens really help out here but the revenant still has a 36" movement to avoid you with or jump into your generators and kill you.
Actually Annys greatest weakness is his combat prowess. In assault units you want to wipe the unit you charge in your opponent's assault phase. Anny will pretty much always wipe the unit in your phase. Plus he cannot multi assault which is unfortunate.
Actually Anny is only available to Chaos Daemons and not CSM. CD is a much better army to use him with as well. Their support suits him reasonably well. (fateweaver to reroll grounding, multiple FMC to dilute fire and help corral revenant titan, etc.)
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2013/12/20 03:24:19
Subject: An’ggrath or Lord of Skulls
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Hoary Long Fang with Lascannon
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ansacs wrote:Yep, if you can catch the revenant before he grounds you and don't get alpha striked before you start flying Anny has it, complete domination...however that is hard to do. Void shield gens really help out here but the revenant still has a 36" movement to avoid you with or jump into your generators and kill you.
Actually Annys greatest weakness is his combat prowess. In assault units you want to wipe the unit you charge in your opponent's assault phase. Anny will pretty much always wipe the unit in your phase. Plus he cannot multi assault which is unfortunate.
Actually Anny is only available to Chaos Daemons and not CSM. CD is a much better army to use him with as well. Their support suits him reasonably well. (fateweaver to reroll grounding, multiple FMC to dilute fire and help corral revenant titan, etc.)
Can he challenge? A) that would be hilarious B) it would at least sometimes keep you from breaking out on your own turn (well really only against Chaos Space Marines who have to accept, but still)
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2013/12/20 06:50:40
Subject: An’ggrath or Lord of Skulls
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Daemonic Dreadnought
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ansacs wrote:Go with the better model as either option is utterly outclassed by a chaos warhound gameplay wise.
I watched An’ggrath in a battle versus a chaos titan last weekend.
He killed it. He flew right up the middle of the board, stopping to wipe out a unit of plague marines. The next turn, he flew over to the titan and chopped it up while the rest of his daemon buddies wreaked havoc.
He shrugged off a ton of wounds in the process. Everything except the titan shot at him the turn after he ate the PMs. He must have saved at least 40 wounds.
I can't think of a model I would rather see in a game intended to be short, boring and completely distorted in favor of a CD player. FGC are quite a spectacle and just crazy to deal with.
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2013/12/20 06:53:07
Subject: An’ggrath or Lord of Skulls
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Fixture of Dakka
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I would go with An'ggrath mainly because of the fact that he will survive longer since he is a flying GC.
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2013/12/20 07:00:42
Subject: An’ggrath or Lord of Skulls
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Executing Exarch
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@techsoldaten
Why in the world was the titan not shot at him? My order of shooting a daemon lord on the ground would start with the D weapon and continue until he is dead. It should have been the titan shot him and everything else did not.
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2013/12/20 16:56:37
Subject: An’ggrath or Lord of Skulls
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Horrible Hekatrix With Hydra Gauntlets
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Given the choice I would take a Brass Scorpion because it's cheaper, stronger in some areas (Lord of Skulls not being able to Stomp is terrible imo) and, in my opinion, looks much much better than either of the other two. However, I don't play with D-weapons, so I wouldn't have to worry about the Scorpion getting one-shot. If you do then the only pick is Ann'grath because he flies and can avoid them.
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2013/12/20 19:22:55
Subject: An’ggrath or Lord of Skulls
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Daemonic Dreadnought
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@ansacs - I was only watching, I can only imagine it had something to do with wanting to kill the DPs he shot at instead.
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2013/12/21 09:49:43
Subject: An’ggrath or Lord of Skulls
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh
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He might have been locked in with the plaguemarines during his turn.
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40k Armies I play: 
Glory for Slaanesh! 
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2013/12/21 18:43:30
Subject: An’ggrath or Lord of Skulls
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Regular Dakkanaut
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 techsoldaten wrote: ansacs wrote:Go with the better model as either option is utterly outclassed by a chaos warhound gameplay wise.
I can't think of a model I would rather see in a game intended to be short, boring and completely distorted in favor of a CD player. FGC are quite a spectacle and just crazy to deal with.
Aetaos'rau'keres, Daemon Lord of Tzeentch is probably even worse.
As a flying gargantuan creature, Aetaos comes with FNP standard, and is allowed to fire all his weapons in one turn at multiple targets. As a Daemon Lord, he has a 3++. As a Daemon of Tzeentch, he rerolls failed saves of 1 on top of his status as being hard to hit whilst flying, and also having FNP.
Moreover, as a gargantuan creature, poisoned attacks and sniper rifles wound him on a 6 instead of a 4+, and ID attacks deal D3 wounds if they get through at all. All of this wouldn't be so bad if he were not T8 with nine wounds.
In short, Aetaos'rau'keres is unkillable without D weapons, but has no D weapons himself. Instead, he is ML4, and can take all Tzeentch powers, shoot them all at different targets, and also vector strike in the same turn. While doing all this, he can use his Render of Veils power to spawn D6+3 Pink Horrors, anywhere within 48", every single turn, so you don't need to worry about lack of troops in his army. You can take two squads of min Daemonettes, Fateweaver, not that you need him, and you're at 1479 points.
His finishing move is his Staff of the Cataclysm, which forces him to remain still and shoot nothing else that turn. In exchange, he fires a poisned 4+, AP3, haywire, 6+D3 apocalpytic barrage attack. Firing this would require two apocalyptic barrage templates as the one in the box only has five jointed segments. Essentially, imagine 7-9 large blasts that you can manually place before scattering, and then roll for scatter on BS6, probably with prescience because you're Tzeentch and he can take that.
Without D-weapons, this is unstoppable. Even with D weapons, most can't hit flyers anyway, so they don't help you kill Aetaos much anyway.
- From 40k Daemons Blog
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2013/12/21 20:45:35
Subject: An’ggrath or Lord of Skulls
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Executing Exarch
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Actually either of them are priced very fairly and if you brought the tools to handle FMC circus daemons then you brought the tools for these.
Also that blog writer is not clear on the rules as the Apoc barrage template is fine and you roll a D6 for each shot (6+D3[2]=8 D6) and the number of each D6 shows where the shot hits on the template. He is essentially saying that 2 wraithknights is invincible.
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2013/12/21 21:05:58
Subject: An’ggrath or Lord of Skulls
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Ghastly Grave Guard
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 ThePrimordial wrote: sub-zero wrote: ansacs wrote:Go with the better model as either option is utterly outclassed by a chaos warhound gameplay wise.
Otherwise Anny is a FGMC as far as I remember. That makes him immune to D weapons until he is grounded which is a huge buff. I would still want some void shields to counter D weapon alpha strikes and the pylon. I would say Anny seems a little better.
"immune to D weapons until he is grounded" Yes please! How would "anny" match up against a revenant titan?
In Melee?
He'd still slaughter it.
Anny can fight imperator titans in melee and win.
Imperator, unlikely. Still more unlikely he would reach it. Those guns are just insane. But I agree, he slaughters pretty much anything upto a phantom Titan and potentially that as well in melee.
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2013/12/29 02:45:55
Subject: An’ggrath or Lord of Skulls
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Been Around the Block
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MarsNZ wrote:I too have this choice, but the answer ended up very simple.
One is a gigantic avatar of the God of War and Rage, a worthy centrepiece for any Chaos Lord, a glorious model.
The other is a huge Bezerker bolted onto a tank.
I would've bought one if they had only named it "Lord of Battle" and painted it black like the old one.
Instead I bought a used Greater Brass Scorpion, and An'ngrath (prolly Russian as it was insanely cheap).
Heybiff
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