Sammael + white scars chapter tactics

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**Niexist**

Just curious does Sammael and white scar chapter tactic stack. The chapter tactic does not say it gives skilled rider it gives +1 jink, and auto pass danerous terrain test. So if Sammael joined a white scar unit and conferred skilled rider to them do you get +2 to your jink save?

**Niexist**

Formosa, I'd think you above all other people here being a dark angel's player would recognize the merit of "getting creative" as I am with this combo. We all know dark angels are subpar, so what is wrong with creative combo's in order to bring us back into the realm of competition? Seems like you'r throwing salt on my game.

**Niexist**

DJGietzen wrote:
DA are not sub par, they are the best at what they do. What they do is not an easy stratagem to play and isn't very flexible.

That aside, The rules do stack RAW. They are not identical and there is no reason to believe they were not intended to stack, and I cnnot think of any examples of two similar rules not stacking because they were similar. Looking at the way other chapter tactics where written it is more reasonable to believe they were intended to stack.

Yeah, they are sub-par if you don't believe me, look here

http://app.torrentoffire.com/#/stats/armies

I only see one army on that list with 1 win per 2 losses and a substantial amount of games played.

**Niexist**

Crazyterran wrote:
To sum it up, 'No, Sammael doesn't benefit from Chapter Tactics(White Scars), because read your darn codex.'

Because if you did read your codex, you'd know you can't do that.

What I'm reading is that you do, but Sammael doesn't get the white scars, but his trait skilled rider is conferred to his unit. Since Dark Angels, and Space Marines are battle brothers he can join a full 10 man(w AB) white scar bike squad, and all of them will have 3+ cover saves in the open with movement, and 2+ if they turbo in the open, just leave sammael in the back since he's got 1 less than the squad.

**Niexist**

Ironwill13791 wrote:
Dark Angels might not be sub-par (I know. I have played them for a long while. They can compete if played competently.), but they have the disadvantage of being "balanced" in an age of imbalance. As a matter of fact, the other chapter in the OP is a direct slap in the face to a build from the Dark Angels book (Ravenwing).

And yes OP, Sammael would confer skilled rider to the white scars, but you would have to watch out for focus fire. That would snipe Sammael out of the unit making the tactic worthless.

That slap in the face is the reason they're subpar. We pay more for bikes with less features. The only thing we're really getting on our bikes is teleport homer's galore which to me means you're wasting your points if you don't have termies.