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Whooo plastic prince!

size comparison please
Old DP to New DP or DP to marine,

I like what I see so far, especially three crushers to a box, I May actually finish that Khorne Daemon army I started.

God, it's so bad...look at the fists holding the sword hilts, what the hell is that? He's got these comically huge arms and tiny little hands? And apparently yeah, this kit is only one sprue because all the variant heads are on there (just small and hard to see), and there's only three: goofy grin which no one liked, goofy beastman head which is uglier than sin, and the 40k-themed head which, while being arguably the best-looking head option, is still goofy compared to the old metal prince. And I hate those wings...they aren't really abysmal, but those extremely sharp angles make them look really cartoony in my opinion.

And that, overall, is my main complain about this kit and damn near every other Chaos kit GW has put out since 2007: too. Fething. Cartoony. I'm not asking for too much, I don't want ultra-realistic, super-violent minis that put the Rogue Trader fluff to shame or anything like that, but I definitely don't want the over-the-top, "MUA-HA-HA!", Saturday morning cartoon style villainy that GW is trying to go for. The coolest models in this update are the changling (it's so simple, but it still looks great) and the LoC character.

And of course everyone's going to rip my ass open because we're not allowed to criticize anything GW does, I'm just saying in my opinion, these models suck, and I hate the guy they have sculpting for Chaos now. If ANYTHING in 40k should be gritty and dark it should be Chaos, and they've got the most cartoony style compared to any other race in the game. I think I can take Orks more seriously than Chaos now.

Sidstyler wrote:God, it's so bad...look at the fists holding the sword hilts, what the hell is that? He's got these comically huge arms and tiny little hands? And apparently yeah, this kit is only one sprue because all the variant heads are on there (just small and hard to see), and there's only three: goofy grin which no one liked, goofy beastman head which is uglier than sin, and the 40k-themed head which, while being arguably the best-looking head option, is still goofy compared to the old metal prince. And I hate those wings...they aren't really abysmal, but those extremely sharp angles make them look really cartoony in my opinion.

And that, overall, is my main complain about this kit and damn near every other Chaos kit GW has put out since 2007: too. Fething. Cartoony. I'm not asking for too much, I don't want ultra-realistic, super-violent minis that put the Rogue Trader fluff to shame or anything like that, but I definitely don't want the over-the-top, "MUA-HA-HA!", Saturday morning cartoon style villainy that GW is trying to go for. The coolest models in this update are the changling (it's so simple, but it still looks great) and the LoC character.

And of course everyone's going to rip my ass open because we're not allowed to criticize anything GW does, I'm just saying in my opinion, these models suck, and I hate the guy they have sculpting for Chaos now. If ANYTHING in 40k should be gritty and dark it should be Chaos, and they've got the most cartoony style of any other race in the game. I think I can take Orks more seriously than Chaos now.

I Agree to the fullest, the only good "new" releases are the new terminators and terminator lord. I want more This than This

Sidstyler wrote:God, it's so bad...look at the fists holding the sword hilts, what the hell is that? He's got these comically huge arms and tiny little hands? And apparently yeah, this kit is only one sprue because all the variant heads are on there (just small and hard to see), and there's only three: goofy grin which no one liked, goofy beastman head which is uglier than sin, and the 40k-themed head which, while being arguably the best-looking head option, is still goofy compared to the old metal prince. And I hate those wings...they aren't really abysmal, but those extremely sharp angles make them look really cartoony in my opinion.

And that, overall, is my main complain about this kit and damn near every other Chaos kit GW has put out since 2007: too. Fething. Cartoony. I'm not asking for too much, I don't want ultra-realistic, super-violent minis that put the Rogue Trader fluff to shame or anything like that, but I definitely don't want the over-the-top, "MUA-HA-HA!", Saturday morning cartoon style villainy that GW is trying to go for. The coolest models in this update are the changling (it's so simple, but it still looks great) and the LoC character.

And of course everyone's going to rip my ass open because we're not allowed to criticize anything GW does, I'm just saying in my opinion, these models suck, and I hate the guy they have sculpting for Chaos now. If ANYTHING in 40k should be gritty and dark it should be Chaos, and they've got the most cartoony style of any other race in the game. I think I can take Orks more seriously than Chaos now.

I totally agree with you. Chaos should look like the forgeworld stuff, IMO. They do a great job of making things look actually chaotic.

However, I'm about 50% sure they'll keep the metal Daemon Prince, so I don't really care. I just want the option to be able to have both. I love the metal one with all my heart, but I also love plastic...soo...Yeah.

Although.....This bloodcrusher doesn't look very easy to convert at all....In fact it looks just as hard as the metal one..The legs are one piece, as is the body....Well, then again, it's better than metal


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I Agree to the fullest, the only good "new" releases are the new terminators and terminator lord. I want more This than This

I would be extremely surprised if they keep the metal demon prince in production. At best he'll be moved to the collectors section until they're out of stock.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:I would be extremely surprised if they keep the metal demon prince in production. At best he'll be moved to the collectors section until they're out of stock.

I are sad panda. Since the daemons are an official release now, I'll ask someone at my local GW. If it's not an official release, they play dumb. "Huh, what? We're getting plastic daemons? No way!"

Just saw the Tzeentchian Daemon pics, I squeed.

I can't wait to find out how much the prince kit will cost. If they want more than $20 for it I'm going to lol. It's so not worth it.

Seriously man, they call themselves the Lexus of miniature wargaming, and they put out crap like that? Lexus prices for Chevy quality.

Sidstyler wrote:I can't wait to find out how much the prince kit will cost. If they want more than $20 for it I'm going to lol. It's so not worth it.

Seriously man, they call themselves the Lexus of miniature wargaming, and they put out crap like that? Lexus prices for Chevy quality.

I would imagine way more than 20$ bro. If the terminator lord is 22, then I'm sure this will be at least 25, maybe 35.

Also, now that the kit is plastic, I can convert the left arm so it's got a sword also. Samurai Prince,lol

Oh don't get me wrong, I know this is gonna be like a $45 kit or more (or MORE), knowing GW. They hype the gak out of everything they sell even if it looks like garbage.

I'm just saying, to me, it's not worth more than $20. Not that sculpt, not that quality. They need to fire this guy that's doing all their new Chaos models and get someone on it who "gets it", because like I said, I take Orks more seriously than Chaos now. And that's just wrong, Orks are the freakin' comic relief of 40k and their models are more gritty and dark than ANYTHING available in the Chaos range?

IIRC it's about the same price as the current prince.

So when can we buy these bad boys? Early august or late july?

Sidstyler wrote:Oh don't get me wrong, I know this is gonna be like a $45 kit or more (or MORE), knowing GW. They hype the gak out of everything they sell even if it looks like garbage.

I'm just saying, to me, it's not worth more than $20. Not that sculpt, not that quality. They need to fire this guy that's doing all their new Chaos models and get someone on it who "gets it", because like I said, I take Orks more seriously than Chaos now. And that's just wrong, Orks are the freakin' comic relief of 40k and their models are more gritty and dark than ANYTHING available in the Chaos range?

do you have any idea of how much it costs to produce something as 'simple' as that model, im going to assume not.

gw is a BUSINESS they need to make money, nothing in the range is based on how good the sculpt is, it's all based on what it costs to make the model and what need to be added so that they can profit and grow as a business.

stop demanding that gw owe you bargain prices they don't.

Sidstyler wrote:God, it's so bad...look at the fists holding the sword hilts, what the hell is that? He's got these comically huge arms and tiny little hands? And apparently yeah, this kit is only one sprue because all the variant heads are on there (just small and hard to see), and there's only three: goofy grin which no one liked, goofy beastman head which is uglier than sin, and the 40k-themed head which, while being arguably the best-looking head option, is still goofy compared to the old metal prince. And I hate those wings...they aren't really abysmal, but those extremely sharp angles make them look really cartoony in my opinion.

And that, overall, is my main complain about this kit and damn near every other Chaos kit GW has put out since 2007: too. Fething. Cartoony. I'm not asking for too much, I don't want ultra-realistic, super-violent minis that put the Rogue Trader fluff to shame or anything like that, but I definitely don't want the over-the-top, "MUA-HA-HA!", Saturday morning cartoon style villainy that GW is trying to go for. The coolest models in this update are the changling (it's so simple, but it still looks great) and the LoC character.

And of course everyone's going to rip my ass open because we're not allowed to criticize anything GW does, I'm just saying in my opinion, these models suck, and I hate the guy they have sculpting for Chaos now. If ANYTHING in 40k should be gritty and dark it should be Chaos, and they've got the most cartoony style compared to any other race in the game. I think I can take Orks more seriously than Chaos now.

You are saying the JG Lord on Juggernaught is cartoony?

I hope not because if you have I think you need to put down the bottle. I have to assume you are blanketing all Chaos kits in with your feelings of the DP. Bloodletters and Daemonettes don't look cartoony.

Shame on you Sid. /rip

do you have any idea of how much it costs to produce something as 'simple' as that model

Oh dear, here we go.

im going to assume not.

I find it's always easier to make bs assumptions about people than to find out the truth, too.

gw is a BUSINESS they need to make money

HURR DURR

nothing in the range is based on how good the sculpt is, it's all based on what it costs to make the model and what need to be added so that they can profit and grow as a business.

So in other words, GW wasted thousands of dollars producing a crappy model that's not worth the price they have to sell it at to make a profit.

I know full well they don't set prices based on the quality of the sculpt (well, actually they kinda do since they think EVERYTHING they do is high quality [every single model in their catalog is a "finely detailed Citadel Miniature"]), but I really don't see why that's relevant. At the end of the day, what determines a sale is the quality of the sculpt. If a model looks like crap no one's going to buy it.

So I have no idea what you're trying to argue here. If you're telling me the sculpt doesn't matter then you're wrong, it does. GW may not give a damn but that's all that matters to a customer. We're not going to buy it just because GW sunk a lot of money into it's production, we're not obligated to buy crappy sculpts.

stop demanding that gw owe you bargain prices they don't.

Can you read? Where the hell did I "demand" anything? Quote me, I dare you.

I didn't say GW "owed me bargain prices", all I said was I wouldn't give more than $20 for this kit based on the quality of the sculpt. I'm seriously disappointed with the daemon prince, I think this was a big opportunity that they screwed up big time, and that they most likely wouldn't be getting a sale from me based on how the finished product looks and the inevitably ridiculous price that will go with it.

I can grumble and cough up $35 for a model that looks awesome. For this? Never.

Fateweaver wrote:I hope not because if you have I think you need to put down the bottle.

O_o *puts his water down*

Okay, allow me to correct myself: the only good kits that have come out of this whole thing are the bloodletters and juggers. That's about what I expect from GW: cool-looking models and sprues packed with parts. Everything else is disappointing.

Also, the Jes Goodwin model you're talking about is one of my favorite Warhammer models, so I'm not talking about that one, either. That's actually my point, that model screams Chaos to me, everything else doesn't.

3 Bloodcrushers per box? Wasn't expecting that. Quite nice.

Love the DP.

But you know that's going to be a $50 box though, right?

Well, considering they're pretty big models and they were like $25 each before, I guess that's not really so bad.

H.B.M.C. wrote:3 Bloodcrushers per box? Wasn't expecting that. Quite nice.

Love the DP.

I believe it, but I only see two

I can imagine three to a box would be 45$, following the trend of "Three bikes= 45$"

3 for $45 is better than 3 for $75.

It will allow me to make my Fatecrusher list.

Sidstyler wrote:

gw is a BUSINESS they need to make money

HURR DURR

LOL What a compelling and insightful statement. I think my baby cousin said something like this last night, turns out he had poop in his diaper. I can only assume the same goes for you.

Seriously, if you don't like the new prince model thats fine. You have made your point, don't pick fights with the people who like it.

In russian, "HURR DURR" means something along the lines of " I agree my friend, but somehow I can't help but ponder that Stalin would have done a quite better job"

Samus_aran115 wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:3 Bloodcrushers per box? Wasn't expecting that. Quite nice.

Love the DP.

I believe it, but I only see two

I can imagine three to a box would be 45$, following the trend of "Three bikes= 45$"

There's one Bloodcrusher on each section of sprue. The third is what looks to be a command model, and is by itself and displayed in the final picture with the Seeker Command that's on the previous page.

So what are our options for nurgle princes? Do we just have to convert until we get a good enough look? There's no nurgle bits on that sprue, as far as I can tell....Maybe they'll just keep the metal one for nurgle, or they'll force us to but the FW one.

Oh, and thank you, a command one would be awesome. Hopefully we can put marines on top of them.

H.B.M.C. wrote:3 Bloodcrushers per box? Wasn't expecting that. Quite nice.

I was.

3 plastic monsters for £27 is their new thing (see also Minotaurs, River Trolls & Raveners)

Samus_aran115 wrote:So what are our options for nurgle princes? Do we just have to convert until we get a good enough look?
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Take the model to your local fast-food joint four days a week, he'll fill out soon enough.

mousespook wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:So what are our options for nurgle princes? Do we just have to convert until we get a good enough look?
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Take the model to your local fast-food joint four days a week, he'll fill out soon enough.

You sir, are built upon win. Are you constructed using the latest synthetic materials known as wintanium? Because you seem to be strong with wins.

mrwittwer wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:

gw is a BUSINESS they need to make money

HURR DURR

LOL What a compelling and insightful statement. I think my baby cousin said something like this last night, turns out he had poop in his diaper. I can only assume the same goes for you.

Seriously, if you don't like the new prince model thats fine. You have made your point, don't pick fights with the people who like it.

First of all, I don't care if you do like the model. Good for you, doesn't bother me at all...I don't particularly understand why, but I don't care. I was just posting why I didn't like it, and how I think GW is screwing up most of the Chaos releases lately. We're in simple disagreement at best, no one's "picking fights" here...well, except you and twistinthunder.

Second, I responded to a "compelling and insightful" argument with one of my own. I don't like it when people insinuate that I'm fething stupid and don't understand the very basic fact that GW wants to make money. I'm sorry that I really don't have anything more to say to that than "NO gak?!". I don't know how many times I have to say that I understand that perfectly, but I'm getting tired of repeating myself.

The fact of the matter is that has nothing at all to do with my argument. I'm sure this model, like most, will have a premium price tag to go with it, but you know, if they're going to charge us that damn much then the LEAST I ask for is a good quality model for my money. This, in my opinion, is not good enough. The sculptor they have working on this and most other Chaos stuff has a style that I really am not fond of, and by the looks of things, I'm not alone!

If GW wants to make money so bad, then maybe they should invest in better sculptors, that's all I'm saying. If they want to hold to the idea that their product is a high-dollar luxury, if they want to compare themselves to Lexus or Porsche then they need to prove it, they need to earn it. Their models are usually pretty good, but they've been missing the mark a lot lately and that's going to hurt them eventually.

Thanks for posting the pics!

It doesn't look like those crushers will be too hard to de-chaosify. I'll definitely be joining the "counts as thunderwolf" club...