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What are the other fantastic campaigns going?

Drop us the links just for interest.,

Well, they're all on the front page of N&R . I don't want to derail this thread, but Dwarven Forge, Mierce Miniatures and Fireteam Zero are some of the big ones, and then there are a lot of cool small ones also on the front page here (Impact Miniatures, Mechadrome, and soon Paulson Games' Mecha Front).

I am planning to make a kickstarter archive thread for just that purpose, though... i.e. keeping track of campaigns. It will happen after AdeptiCon, though... now back to painting

 Chimaera wrote:
500k is substantial. Didn't realise that sort of action could happen in the last 2 days of a KS. Sort of makes me more optimistic Mercs Recon could hit 500k+ .

Kingdom Death did around $950k in the final three days.
Zombicide Season 2 did around $500k in the final two days.

It's not unprecedented, that's for sure.

Was there a particular trigger for it or just a load of fence huggers like me getting off their butts.

I was a last day backer for Myth, and I backed because, at that point, it was really "too good to pass up." At the point I backed, you just got so much for free that I had trouble justifying not backing it. This one doesn't have that same feel to me....yet.

If they have some RECON stuff to show at Adepticon, they could get a real boost, too.

Had a look at the majority of other KS on here but didn't seem to warm to them the same way as I have to Mercs Recon for various reason of production value, sculpts, theme or setting.

Horses for courses I guess.

Was there a particular trigger for it or just a load of fence huggers like me getting off their butts.

I was a last day backer for Myth, and I backed because, at that point, it was really "too good to pass up." At the point I backed, you just got so much for free that I had trouble justifying not backing it. This one doesn't have that same feel to me....yet.

If they have some RECON stuff to show at Adepticon, they could get a real boost, too.

 RiTides wrote:
I guess this was the comment I had just read that lead me to that characterization:

Mercs Miniatures wrote:Here is a bit of an education on add-ons (it was to us as well). You can roughly gauge people buying add-ons to about 1/4 of the backers. It is that small. How do we know: we know because of the three BIG add-ons (Skald, Spriggan, IA) in Myth, not one was purchased by more than 1500 people. Most were much less. So judging stretch goals by deciding if people will "buy" them as an add-on is not a good way to decide things. So many of you are clamoring for more add-ons, but we must be careful. Simply put, we could get caught producing a high-priced add-on for less than 500 people. For instance, you know all the people shout for double-captains in Myth and how much we needed to allow it. We listened and allowed it.... less than 50 people did it.

I mean... you could say this all sorts of ways, but I dunno.

Not really a big deal, I guess, but I certainly wouldn't class their communication as "positive". Creator interaction is a pretty important part of KS campaigns... and one that should be easy to get right (imo).

Also note that I'd like this to succeed... but there are literally a half dozen campaigns I'd like to back right now, so every little bit counts.

Well, the comment there just seems honest. Though overall, I agree with you. It doesn't seem especially upbeat either. Still, I'd rather have flat than the over the top cultish (with added sockpuppets) that we got from the Games and Gears campaign. To me that just reeked of used-car-salesman or the over-the-top I used to get walking into a new GW store. The early comment about "lack of competition" really rubbed me the wrong way, as noted, and the flat comms since then (and the flat campaign) had me pulling my pledge, and hasn't exactly enticed me back at this stage, though. (I'm also not sure how double-Captain "hurt" them, since they were offering single Captains anyway...)


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 cincydooley wrote:

 Chimaera wrote:
500k is substantial. Didn't realise that sort of action could happen in the last 2 days of a KS. Sort of makes me more optimistic Mercs Recon could hit 500k+ .

Kingdom Death did around $950k in the final three days.
Zombicide Season 2 did around $500k in the final two days.
It's not unprecedented, that's for sure.

Was there a particular trigger for it or just a load of fence huggers like me getting off their butts.

I was a last day backer for Myth, and I backed because, at that point, it was really "too good to pass up." At the point I backed, you just got so much for free that I had trouble justifying not backing it. This one doesn't have that same feel to me....yet.
If they have some RECON stuff to show at Adepticon, they could get a real boost, too.

The thing to remember is that MYTH had no first-day spike, and the last-days spikes came when the deals were irresistible. MERCS has already had a lot of their spike, and the deals are still far from irresistible right now. They can (and will) have a last-day spike, but it remains to be seen just how much it will be, since a lot of the fence-sitters were on board on day 1, and the rewards haven't amped up to match them this time.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Chimaera wrote:
500k is substantial. Didn't realise that sort of action could happen in the last 2 days of a KS. Sort of makes me more optimistic Mercs Recon could hit 500k+ .

Kingdom Death did around $950k in the final three days.
Zombicide Season 2 did around $500k in the final two days.

It's not unprecedented, that's for sure.

I would note that in both those examples, the creator had a very active and very positive presence in the comments section.

You cannot be sure all the fence sitters were in on day one and this can only be your assumption..

I would imagine there are a lot still like me just watching but at 400k I am in for sure.

You will see from some of the posts on BGG by the company that they have apologised for not being involved so much on the comments section but they were trying to sort out some of the issues with Myth and their priority had to be this way for the time being. I can respect that and I am sure those who bought Myth can. Another post said they also got triple the amount of PM's they were expecting for Recon and were struggling to keep up or in the posts words "losing the war"..

This isn't a big company with a PR dept to match. From what I understand its a small group of guys trying to produce something good, can't knock them for that.

Why wait until $400K?

And there is no guarantee of a 'last day spike' - just ask DBX...

 Chimaera wrote:
You cannot be sure all the fence sitters were in on day one and this can only be your assumption..

I would imagine there are a lot still like me just watching but at 400k I am in for sure.

You will see from some of the posts on BGG by the company have apologised for not being involved so much but they were trying to sort out some of the issues with Myth and their priority had to be this way for the time being. I can respect that and I am sure those who bought Myth can.

I didn't say that all of them were. But I am sure that a lot of the fence sitters that got on board at the end of MYTH got on board MERCS on day 1. I think that's a pretty reasonable assumption.

You also don't get to tell me what my assumptions are, so I'd advise you to be a bit more careful in choosing your words going forward if you want to maintain a civil discourse.






I'm one of those who bought MYTH, as are many of us here. I can respect the fact that they felt a need to rush this campaign out before they finished fulfiling MYTH, or even shipping the first wave out to US backers. Who could possibly have foretold that this would create issues? Oh, yeah, most of us here.

I didn't say that all of them were. But I am sure that a lot of the fence sitters that got on board at the end of MYTH got on board MERCS on day 1. I think that's a pretty reasonable assumption. You also don't get to tell me what my assumptions are, so I'd advise you to be a bit more careful in choosing your words going forward if you want to maintain a civil discourse.

Nice over reaction!

Easy on the italics, Azazel

Nice way to deliberately misread the intent of what I typed, be unnecessarily rude as a reaction, then ignore all of the rest of the content I wrote.

Everything I said still stands. It's your choice if you want to continue to be rude and take the conversation that way or if you'd like to resume a civil discussion.

Actually Azazelx you took my comments off piste.

If you want to play high and mighty that's up to you but there was no need for it and it was your call.

Unless you have some god like insight then an assumption is what it is, an assumption.

Of course I am open to civil discussion but your reaction was the one that was unwarranted. I am sure if you reflect on what I said you will see there was no malice, you were the one who made it into something it wasn't.

 Chimaera wrote:
You cannot be sure all the fence sitters were in on day one and this can only be your assumption..

Seems pretty straightforward to me...

I've been fence sitting since day one and I was a backer of Myth. There aren't any early birds so there isn't a huge incentive not to watch and see how things are going.

350k reveals!
While technically not the next stretch goal for Recon, 350k is a pretty fantastic number! To all our backers, thank you!

We've decided to make 350k the number to reveal a new additional purchase and stretch goal.

The additional purchase now available is the FCC House 9 Silent Operative Mission Pack.


The newly revealed stretch goal is a backer goal, and a pretty awesome one at that. At 3000 backers the USCR Behemoth variant sculpt will be unlocked!


As an aside, this character is terribly fun to draw. When Brian first gave me the specs for this guy, he was like "This dude should have a hammer and machine guns on his shoulders." My response was "sweeeeet."

He'll make for an amazing variant model. Let's unlock him!

And the crowd goes wild! or not really......

Mercs: Recon the kickstarter were amassing money for the project unlocks you the privilege to give him more money.

The fact that so many days have passed and the 1,5k slots have not been filled yet shows the faith there is in this project.

They had their chance they could have given a free expansion pack to drive the deal up, I will admit the behemoth is a good idea, a bit out of place of course because no USCR box exists, but, I really doubt we will hit 3k backers at the current situation.

Mercs give at the moment 25 "free models" one is irrelevant, 10 are a nice touch and 14 should have been in the boxed game from start, the starting miniatures are 40 (yes, I deliberately put the judge on the free minis else put them in 24, 41 respectively), expansion packs are 4 to pay (1 not unlocked yet) 1 given free (not unlocked yet) which for me also is their weakest faction (house 4).

What to make from this kickstarter? stretch goals are all over the place, no backer who is not a fan can feel comfortable with them, especially the first one, the amount of "pay us" items in contrast to "thanks for your support here is stuff for you and for others to be lured in" is ridiculously imbalanced, their communication is severely lacking, their promises even for gameplay videos are not kept, "they need to short Myth first" I hear you cry? well they had been warned about it two weeks before the decided to launch it, their response was that they have no direct competition and they do not expect Myth impacting them at all.

For me the creators are in shock this has not sold like hotcakes, were completely unprepared for any problems with Myth, especially the rulebook, quite edgy at the current direction this kickstarter goes, really not thrilled to go the extra length and provide the incentive needed to make this project move and worse of all they show it, "Congratulations of two more really cool miniatures!" if you feel this way, just don't say it.

Moreover they ignore the most critical and valid questions, does the basic boxes get upgraded? if no they have a really good chance of been a commercial failure, how does the dicegame plays, I am assuming its something like quariors (sp?) or Steampark or a mix of both, but its gameplay video "will be up soon" almost two weeks now, or what the hell is the infected mission pack.

Really most of these could be solved by writing a few lines.

I am really doubtful at this point that the project will have a end rush spike, I feel what spike it would have was at the start, as a deal it is.... not good and the prospects of been good are dropping rapidly by each day and update.

Not that it would be an "excuse", but maybe they lost money on Myth? Or at least didn't make a lot of it?

Those US$ 100,-/US$ 150,- pledge level shipments are selling for US$ 400,- + on ebay. They are excellent value.

Inversely, "Myth-the-retail-product" IMO stinks, because literally NOTHING from the Kickstarter-add-ons went into the basic retail box. It's exactly the box you'd have gotten if the Myth Kickstarter would've made it's US$ 40.000,- funding goal and not a dollar more.

Maybe the numbers didn't add up for them on Myth, and they hope to produce less for more money now?

Either way, US$ 350.000,- isn't shabby. DBX did EVERYTHING to keep backers happy. Daily Stretch-Goals, whether funded or not, insane amounts of miniatures, constant "comment-section-entertainment" 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. They didn't have much more to show for it.

If anything, I am surprised how - relatively - well Myth is doing despite the hands-off approach. I am rather thinking a lot of other companies could've saved themselves the hassle of trying to "keep everyone happy", cause the impact seems smaller than I thought it would be.

I was a last day backer on Myth as it just seemed a no brainer and the Twilight Knight was the final push. I backed Recon at the $120 level day 1 but I've dropped back to $1 just to get the updates which so far are poor yet another paid add on expansion has really put me off this one and unless they really pull out all the stops in the end I won't be backing this. Not having received Myth yet with international shipping being on the long finger is also an issue.

At this stage I'd rather go all in on SDE and add some more to my DBX and Dead zone pledge than give Mercs more of my money (but of course they don't have any real competition on KS do they!)

To be fair I was surprised and horrified the Myth box did not receive any of the kickstarter love, its a meh deal to be honest as it is without any of the things kickstarter unlocked, Mercs recon is a thing I do not see do well in retail at all if it gets shipped as is, why do a kickstarter if you are not going to upgrade your core product at all, really?

From time to time I think people blame mantic and CMON, but they pass the funds to their product, Megacon on the other hand handles it as a pure preorder from what is seems.

Edit and yes SDE seems to be doing just fine.

Honestly, given that this is the first weekend most people can attempt to play MYTH, I wouldn't be suprised to see pledges drop a bit. The MYTH rulebook is such an incoherent mess that its almost impossible to play "correctly" even if you print out the setup and "quick start" pdfs from the MYTH website. Go on their forums and the same questions get repeated over and over again.

I thought that we read that MYTH did in fact make them money?

And is the Behemoth going to be scultped and available as an add-on or a freebie?

Its a moot point until we reach 3k backers which is doubtful at this moment, that aside, I can only assume that, it will be a free model that cannot be purchased for extra copies.

Sounds about right, given how everything's been run to date.

2200 backers with 19 days to go - 3000 might be doable, IF the deal eventually becomes 'irresistible'.

MYTH ended with 5300+...

To be frank it has all the tools to go well and be an irresistible deal, the biggest frustration is how mismanaged it is and how it has failed time and time again to become one.

I completely agree - but there's plenty of time left, and certainly plenty of room for improvement!

I think this latest update was more of a step in the right direction. There was a bit more text in this one at least. The USCR Colossus is a pretty good choice for a backer freebie, too. I also have no problem with more expansions being added, even if they are paid add ons. The one thing I really scratch my head about is that one of the stretch goal freebies is a guy that expands a paid add on. Why do that?

Alpharius wrote:I completely agree - but there's plenty of time left, and certainly plenty of room for improvement!

There is time and room for improvement, what I wonder and fear is if there will be momentum to allow that.

Barzam wrote:I think this latest update was more of a step in the right direction. There was a bit more text in this one at least. The USCR Colossus is a pretty good choice for a backer freebie, too. I also have no problem with more expansions being added, even if they are paid add ons. The one thing I really scratch my head about is that one of the stretch goal freebies is a guy that expands a paid add on. Why do that?

well given it is a freebie for an expansion that does not exist yet, they "may" have it as a free stretch goal.

The 4 infected 'free' could also be considered expanding the Infected add on expansion.

You are correct! they are a free addition for the payed Infected expansion.

Why am I still so optimist for their decisions?

 DaveC wrote:
At this stage I'd rather go all in on SDE and add some more to my DBX and Dead zone pledge than give Mercs more of my money (but of course they don't have any real competition on KS do they!)

Yeah, I don't think this new update made me want to give them money. It did sort out why the saboteur is a SG, but not make me want to give them money. It just reinforces the feeling that this is less of a game and more of a vehicle to remake the Mercs line in plastic. As the basic deal stands, I don't think there is a hope of 3000 backers. Next question, that we probably won't get answered, is if the Colossus is in the USCR expansion, or if the resculpt will be the only way to get a Colossus in plastic. Ugh. More questions instead of answers...