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So here we go, ork 500 point escalation list!

HQ

Big Mek 35/ w KFF/ 85 cybork and eavy armor 100 points.

Troops

Def dread (from big Mek made troop)
W/2 big shootas 85

3x killa kans w/ grozookaz, 135

2x killa kans w/ grotzookas 90

2x killa kans w/ grotzookas 90

500 point!

Lay it on me... What do you think. Bad good or indifferent let me know!


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Since I have no feedback so far, here is another list I wanted to bounce off of you guys!

The only other list I came up with was,

3x deffcoptas with TL big shootas 105

3x deffcoptas w TL big shootas 105

3 nob bikers w big choppas one w/ boss pole155

Attached to war bikers or deffcoptas as both are bike units. Attaching him to the Coptas gives him hit and run.... Just a thought. Warboss on bike w cybork armor/ powerclaw 135

500 again!


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Ahh, I guess I should ask for feedback!

1. What do you think if my kan list? Not enough minatures for an ork army IMO, but at 500 points not much can deal with 7 AV 11kans and a dread, I'm mainly focusing on my armor value to keep me protected, and the grotzookas to take care of any armor or groups of marines. Do I want grotzookas? They're only AP 4, I can take a two shootas and a Kustom Mega blaster on one kan per group? Insight?

2. Is the bigmek with the KFF what I want? Maybe toss the cybork body and KFF for a Shockk attack gun? Any insight on this?

I'm not exactly a pro. Still building my first Orks, but here are my 2 cents.

First, generally, you need 2 troop choices. I suggest a squad of boys.


Deff Dread has BS 2 so I would go skorcha instead. This has the added benefit of raising his target priority for your opponent. Any shots at the DD rather than the Kans are good for you.

Grotzookas are great, but they are short range, and expensive. So consider Big Shootas instead. As a slow moving unit, with BS 3, Kans can put a lot of fire into the enemy as you close.

2 KK with Big Shootas
3 KK with 1 Big Shoota, 2 Grotzookas

That frees up 105 points for
16 Shoota Boys
or 10 Shoota Boys in a Trukk with Reinforced Ram
and a BP for your Big Mek

Arrange like this:

BS BS DD BS Boys BM GZ GZ
With your Big Mek in the same squad as your boys, and just a bit behind them (echelon formation) for wound allocation.

That way your cheaper BS Kans take most of the fire.

If you would rather go the Trukk route, it complicates your strategy quite a bit. Because your Trukk only has AV 10 on the front, and you don't really have enough boys to do much.

Definitely stick with KFF not Shockk attack gun.

On your Second List
Warboss on Bike doesn't make deffcoptas troops, so you still need one more troop option.

If you drop one of your groups of deffcoptas, and substitute a squad of 4 Warbikers, and a BP for your Warboss, you have 2 troop options.

Your biggest challenge with this list is survivability. If you can make it into close combat, you might be ok, but you will have a real problem making it that far. You will have to make sure that for your opponents first turn they don't have line of sight on any of the bikes

Might I suggest an alternate low model count 500 Point Ork list.
This relies on AV to keep you protected like your Kan list, but this time in the form of much faster, much tougher Battle Wagons.

1 Warboss ('Eavy armour, Big choppa, Bosspole, Cybork body)
10 Shoota Boyz (1 with a Big Shoota)
in a Battle Wagon w/ Deff rolla and Big Shoota

3 MegaNobz (Troops Because of Warboss)
in a Battle Wagon w/ Deff rolla and Big Shoota

16 Models to the 9 in your original Kan list, or 10 in your Bike list.

I really appreciate the input, for the first list, the def dread is my troop choice from the big Mek! To the second list the nobz on bikes are my troops as a Warboss let's you take nobz as a troop. I like your List a lot! But no AV 14 in the 500 point list! I do agree putting boyz behind cans is always good, I made a list with boyz hiding behind kanz, its

Hq
Big Mek w KFF 85 points
Heavy
3 kanz with grotzookas 135
Troop
Def dread w two big shootAs 85

29 x boyz /nob w big bigchoopa, 195

500 points

Oh and we only need one troop for the first 500 point match.

Id maybe go this route the mess with people

Big Mek KFF PK 110
Boy x 29 Nob PK 215
Big Gun x 3 Kannon x 3 60
Big Gun x 3 Kannon x 3 60
Big Gun x 3 Kannon x 3 60

At such low points i wouldnt run ork walkers, you have to make your points count. Any SM, Tau, CSM, Necron, Eldar army easily comes equipened to blow up armour. At low point tournys you have to abuse what your army is good at and exploit it. Orks can take massive amount of bodies for cheap. Here you have a decent amount of boys that are a threat in CC that potentially have a 12in move a turn yuo should be in your enemies face by turn3. Another route to this list is running 2 squads of 20 boys and dropping the Nob and the PK on mek and nob. This way once one unit is half dead you can change units to the second squad. Mind you your Kannons are just destroying their army. You have T7 gretchin in the back field letting the kannons take all the saves.

It depends, are you after a casual list, a competitive one, or a VAAC type competitive?

The further towards victory at any cost you go, the more boyz you'll be taking. The further towards casual, the more walkers.

Neither of your suggested lists have the required two troop choices. Also keep in mind that deff dreads are not scoring, even as troops, except in the Forgeworld Dread Mob list via a warlord trait

I'm looking for a competitive 500 point list that will be using the units I choose early on a locked in choices unfortunately. Also for the 500 point a
First match we we're told we only need one troop choice. I could just spam boyz easily as I have 180 fully painted ork boyz. Here's how my boyz list looks

30 boyz nob w power claw 215

30 boyz nob w power claw 215

Warboss with eavy armor and a big choppa 70

500

Attach said Warboss to a mob of 30 and run forward

If your asking for list advice, its probably a good idea to tell us if your using a nonstandard force org and so on...

Also, can you at least alter gear on characters etc at higher points? We need details like that because they can matter alot

For a strong 500pt army that scales well using those same units, I'd recommend;

Shoota Blob [180]
~30x Shoota Boyz

Shoota Blob [120]
~20x Shoota Boyz

Forcefield Mek [85]
~Big Mek, Kustom Forcefield

Dakkajet [130]
~Extra Shoota, Flyboss

Thats currently 515 (assuming I have dakkajet right, which I might not), but since I don't know exactly what "locked in" rules you've got I can't tune it properly down to 500. For instance, if you take 20 boyz, can you make the mob *bigger* at a larger points level, or is it stuck at 20 forever? The forcefield for instance is a massive waste at 500pts, but you'll want it later on, so whether your stuck dropping 50pts on it or not for the next few tiers is important. Same with flyboss, wasted points at 500 but you'll want it later

Also, whats the legality of Forgeworld and Stronghold Assault and Escalation in your event?

These two lists have no shooting support, if you play a tau or eldar player you are screwed. You need something on the table that can put out decent damage.

I apologize for no being more specific, no AV 14 for the first 500 point match nothing from forgeworld and if you purchase an hq with over two wounds he is brought down to 2. You only need one troop choice for the 500 point match. equipment is not locked onto characters and can be changed every new week of rounds. My bad. Now if you have any ideas for 500 within those parameters is appreciate you're input and advice!

I like my list still but have you thought about running any looted wagons? At AV11 you can get a battlecannon for only 105 pts

I feel your love for kans, but you'll see that they are not super tough and go down pretty quick to focused fire. Even if you only need one troop choice i wouldn't count on the dread to do all the lifting. If i were playing you and that was your only troop, as well as a big killy unit it would be the first thing i'd go for. I'd start with your Big Mek and a group or two of shoota boys. and then fill in whatever you want for whats left.

Force multiplier like KFF in a 500 point game?

I'm with you rismonite, with the KFF, dread, and kanz. Not only does the weapon have to hit a kan or dread, it also has to glance or pen, of it does pen it has to do something, and to top it off you get a 5 up cover. Just keep the deff in front of the big Mek so they can't draw LoS and you're golden!

I think he's saying "you don't have enough force to multiply at 500pts"

The KFF gets its value by adding defense to either an enormous quantity of boyz or a smaller one of vehicles.

6th Edition hates assaults and it especially hates dreads. Our deff dreads are pure garbage ~ and this is coming from a real dreadhead ~ and our Kans are decent but nothing special.

Since gear isn't locked in, I'd recommend my above list sans the KFF, using those points for either more boyz, a unit of Gretchin, or as most of a unit of Kannons

If you don't mind random elements I've found the SAG to be relatively nice fire support in 500 and 750 games against my friend. Nice to have an AP2 party plate.